vdschoor 0 #2 November 6, 2004 Usually you only run into the cons if you were in a bad place already... I can't see any big cons actually, I have not had bad experiences with AADs. I think the big pro is that it will take care of you when you are not able to yourself (knocked out or something) Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treeman 0 #3 November 6, 2004 i'm just a student in thought, maybe too much thought. i just cant wait to jump again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #4 November 6, 2004 Pro......It can save your life Con....the expence(how much is your life worth?) Do a search on AAD's/Cypres/Fxc/etc....you will find many many posts concerning them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jskydiver22 0 #5 November 6, 2004 Just get one. haha I'd say that the pros outnumber the cons by a lot though. I would hate to jump without my cypress. Ive never been on a jump without it on. They are definitely worth getting. --I don't even know enough to know that I dont know-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #6 November 6, 2004 The only con aside from the value you place on your life is if you pull really late and have a two out situation, but if you pull that late, you're on the edge of screwed anyway. -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 November 6, 2004 With modern AADs about the only con is the change in people's attitudes towards their safety. Some people are fearful to jump without them, honestly at that point I think they should seriously consider continuing in the sport. The flip side is having a reserve canopy so small that AAD or not, you're screwed.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #8 November 6, 2004 The con is that they are a computer operated by a human. They will not have not and never will operate 100% of the time. The con is that the majority of skydiving death's in the last 10-15 yr's have occured because humans fail to recieve the proper training on how to land a perfectly good parachute. the pro is one of the reasons of the cause of fatel accidents has changed is because AAD.s will work sometime in spite of human error. In spite of Air bags in cars Some people still wear seat belts and some people are actually injured or killed by air bags. I suggest you check the incident reports yourself on this websight among other's and become a educated consumer, find a instructor you trust, learn your gear, pack for yourself, stay current and think!!!! Read the waiverR.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #9 November 6, 2004 How about this for a con. - you spent so much on your AAD you can't afford canopy control training. THAT is far more likely to kill you than not having an AAD. The best situation would be both an AAD AND canopy schooling. If you can only afford one, you might get mixed advice on which will keep you safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #10 November 6, 2004 No cons, get one, it will save your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonBonGraham 0 #11 November 6, 2004 The only cons I've ever heard are the price, the fact that a mis-fire while doing CReW can be anything from bad to worse (but you can always switch it off if need be) and apparently they can fire if you go fast enough under a small, high performance canopy. So unless, after you get your first rig, you're going to spend the indeffinite future doing NOTHING but CReW (or you fancy having a go on my velocity 90 - ) the only one is cost. Please note, I don't do CReW or jump small, HP canopies (very often) so what I'm saying is only what I've gathered from what I consider to be reliable sources of information, but I just thought I'd give you my $0.02, and some food for thought. If I had the money, I know I'd get one! Durham University Freefall Club Grounds For Divorce website (band I'm in) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treeman 0 #12 November 6, 2004 thank you for the info Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #13 November 6, 2004 Quote I suggest you check the incident reports yourself on this websight among other's and become a educated consumer, find a instructor you trust, learn your gear, pack for yourself, stay current and think!!!! Quote Ding Ding Ding....! Winner!! (might want to print those instructions in your logbook...they fit a lot of future questions you may have!) ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #14 November 6, 2004 Pros: -It can save your life if you do something stupid Cons: -It can misfire and cause you problems -It can tempt you to do risky things because you know it will save your life if you do something stupid Overall, AAD's help people far more often than they hurt them. The worst thing most people experience from using AAD's are dual deployments, and they are not that hard to manage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #15 November 6, 2004 Quote The best situation would be both an AAD AND canopy schooling. It is better to be current than to make 20 jumps a year just because you just spent all your money on that new Cypress. It is a good device but you should understand that all it does is cut the reserve loop. It is not going to save you if you screwed up in freefall, mishandle the emergency procedures or hook it low. My personal opinion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybill 22 #18 November 7, 2004 Hi Tree, Pro- they "may" open your rig for you if you "forget???" or "can't." Con- People get "dependent" on them for emergency back-up and take bigger risks. AAD's are reliable but they are still a mechanical device subject to failure. Today, AAD's are the rule rather than the exception. It wasn't too many years ago that it was the opposite. If you get one, great. Remember though, YOU are responsible for your altitude awareness, not your AAD!!!SCR-2034, SCS-680 III%, Deli-out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #19 November 7, 2004 It seems to me that people now pull at especially high altitudes, perhaps in part due to the desire to avoid a 2-out situation.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #20 November 7, 2004 QuoteIt seems to me that people now pull at especially high altitudes, perhaps in part due to the desire to avoid a 2-out situation. Hi Sundevil From what I've seen (haven't jumped in 2-3 yr's) the reason people were dumping high was because they felt it was safer and gave them more time to think about what to do in case they had a mal. IMO With the operating range of the cypress the jumpers opening at 3.6 or 4k aren't worrying about having 2 out. They just think opening at 2k isn't safe due to their confusion of the reaction time required to handle a mal. R.I.P. Have you hugged your kids today? You lucky man Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #21 November 7, 2004 QuoteIt seems to me that people now pull at especially high altitudes, perhaps in part due to the desire to avoid a 2-out situation. In addition, more and more people jump high performance canopies that open slower and have more potential for violent spinning malfunctions that require extra altitude to deal with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
