mattjw916 2 #26 October 19, 2004 Uh, no students should be jumping with each other anyway!!! If you don't have an "A" license you can only jump with an instructor/coach present anyway. You, and presumably your friends, have quite a few more jumps to go before you can "legally" jump together anyway. Read section 2-1 of the SIM if you don't want to take my word for it.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #27 October 19, 2004 QuoteQuote Christel mein schatz, der armer fragt was er machen/sagen kann, weil er mit was er gesehen hat erschreckt ist. No need to get crazy about that... And GO TO BED now, it's half past 2 Danke Fisch, as I've got holidays for one week, I spend my time waisting my life in front of the computa...And going to bed whenever I like . daddy. Seriously: I do not want to attack the guy. I know by myself that 's horrible. He only should listen. It seems he's stuck on a certain opinion. But who could help him out? You know how important that is. To listen. So I repeat: He should ask people in charge of that. Not more, not less. BTW: Next time, I will join the POPs, that's for sure! .............................................. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #28 October 19, 2004 Point her out to me the next time I'm at the dz and I'll watch her fly from the ground and maybe I'll be able to chat with her a little. They know me well enough at the dz to trust me if I think someone higher up needs to have a talk with her.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #29 October 19, 2004 QuoteUh, no students should be jumping with each other anyway!!! If you don't have an "A" license you can only jump with an instructor/coach present anyway. You, and presumably your friends, have quite a few more jumps to go before you can "legally" jump together anyway. Read section 2-1 of the SIM if you don't want to take my word for it. no no... we know this, no jumping together... but on the same load... with a few seconds of exit interval. and not me either... We're going off subject... Im going to go over my feel about the whole thing with my current instructor and take it from there... like I said, I just wanted to see if I could talk to someone who could relate... and I did. again, thank you... "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #30 October 19, 2004 QuotePoint her out to me the next time I'm at the dz and I'll watch her fly from the ground and maybe I'll be able to chat with her a little. They know me well enough at the dz to trust me if I think someone higher up needs to have a talk with her. Thanks Andrea... I appreciate it. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #31 October 19, 2004 gravitiyzsexy, (what a complate word. ) I did not want to hurt you. Never. But pls read as much as you can. And do not come to any final conclusions after doing 9 jumps. Just wanted to express like that. Do not give up and ask, ask, read.... Just like that. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #32 October 19, 2004 Quotegravitiyzsexy, (what a complate word. ) I did not want to hurt you. Never. But pls read as much as you can. And do not come to any final conclusions after doing 9 jumps. Just wanted to express like that. Do not give up and ask, ask, read.... Just like that. Don't worry about it man, the love is felt... my motto is there'd be no me without you, and that's how I treat this forum... and this post definitly influenced the way I plan to go about this... I find that listening to both sides of an opinionated spectrum you get the best results... so there is no way that I cannot appreciate your input... I do realize that I only have 9 jumps 10 now... but I am concious of the sport and aware of what goes on.... I mebbe a bit more curious because it's my first time seeing incidents like this, but I do talk and listen to more experienced jumpers to help get through the shock and find the best course of action to deal with it. Nothing more, nothing less... so don't get upset if I freak out about things... But thanks again man, it helps.... -Tony "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #33 October 19, 2004 Quote Don't worry about it man, the love is felt...... But thanks again man, it helps.... Hope you meant WOman... Christel and Sabine are 2 girl names...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #34 October 19, 2004 Quote I'm talking about opening way above planned altitude, flying WAY too close to some other friends under canopy... Opens high and flies close to people...? We're not supposed to do that?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #35 October 19, 2004 Quote Hope you meant WOman... Christel and Sabine are 2 girl names No problem at all, guy. My name is Christel Sabine, and I am called Christel. That's all. If he calls me "man", so what? GWB too has more than just one name, right? Not to talk about his father....(many German names!) dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #36 October 19, 2004 QuoteQuote Hope you meant WOman... Christel and Sabine are 2 girl names No problem at all, guy. My name is Christel Sabine, and I am called Christel. That's all. If he calls me "man", so what? GWB too has more than just one name, right? Not to talk about his father....(many German names!) LOL! ......... "pal" or "pally" work?? Only two I could come up with right now.... heh, Christel Sabine... kind of slides off the tongue, don't it? Im getting sleepy... almost bedtime. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,317 #37 October 19, 2004 There is another option. You've expressed two situations of concern. 1) she deployed her pilot chute at 6k when planned for a 3.5-4k opening almost directly below one of my other buddies that shook him up real good, and 2) in the same day almost deflated his wifes main at 1.5 thousand... Instead of having a talk with her that will put her on the defensive, how about talking with her in the way that someone with your lesser experience level might learn from her mistakes? You could bring up the high opening and say something about why she did that and are there circumstances that call for pulling high or was it something she chose to do. Then you could bring up the situation about traffic in the pattern an what is too close? What does it mean when another skydiver is kicking their legs while under canopy while in the traffic pattern? Allow her to address them. She will probably still be defensive because she was in the wrong, but if nothing else, you will have caused her to - as hooknswoop used to say, "Think."Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #38 October 19, 2004 Quote but I only became concerned when she depolyed her pilot chute at 6k when planned for a 3.5-4k opening almost directly below one of my other buddies that shook him up real good Unannounced high openings are never a good plan, but how'd the next person end up right on top of her? Hope she waved off first, but I wonder about the exit separation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gordy 0 #39 October 19, 2004 I have to agree with the general consensus and say its best for you to say nothing, would you even know what to say?????? Speak to an instructor/ST&A in confidence and ask if they could watch and see if there is a problem, there may/may not be? I am of the opinion that anything relating to saftety should come from a instructor or a coach, otherwise you have folk with 92 jumps (and the 2 makes all the difference) giving folk canopy control/swooping advice etc which can just make for a bad situation... My 0.02, feel free to take it or leave it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #40 October 19, 2004 QuoteI'm talking about opening way above planned altitude, flying WAY to close to some other friends under canopy It's called CRW. Talk to your DZ staff - they've been there and done this before. You're not getting them in trouble, you're saving their (and others) life. Sounds like your social group would back you up anyway as you say they won't jump with this person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
somethinelse 0 #41 October 19, 2004 skymama Since you seem to know this dude, and are frequenting this same dz, maybe you got an insight here that seems to not be covered yet. When it is mentioned that if they are all students, or not having their "A"s yet, they should NOT be jumping together at the same time, This dude replies: They are jumping seperately but with just A FEW SECONDS SEPERATION BETWEEN EACH JUMPER. Do you suppose insufficient exit seperation could be contributing factor in the near misses/collisions, etc? Just this cautious student- newb's $.02 worth. Just something to think about.... - LiLa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #42 October 19, 2004 Quote she depolyed her pilot chute at 6k when planned for a 3.5-4k opening almost directly below one of my other buddies that shook him up real good and in the same day almost deflated his wifes main at 1.5 thousand, .. ... Those two people are the ones who need to approach the woman and talk to her about the safety issues. If they feel no learning took place, they should go to an S&TA and enlist their help in educating this person. I like to address the things fairly quietly, so people's defenses aren't all up. They are ususally more receptive to input. If not, they're an asshat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #43 October 19, 2004 Quote So basically Im getting from this that I should shut my mouth because I have no idea what Im talking about . Sounds kinda rough when you put it that way. I would say since you are real new. There maybe things that look dangerous to you and really aren't. The things you said about her pulling high is scary to me at least. You want people to follow the plan. If the plan is to track away and deploy at let's say 4k then that is what she needs to do. AT least get the hell outfrom under people. I think what people are telling you is that because of you lack of experiance at this point it willb e hard to get someone that thinks they are better then you to listen to you. Sorry but it is a fact of the sport. It doens' meant that what you are saying is invalid. It's like having a 15 year old tell someone they are a dangerous driver. "Shit Bob you just got your premit, STFU." If I were you I woud quietly go to my S&TA and ask him to watch your friend. TEll him why and if it is reasonable I am sure he will watch her. Quoteand since every incident in skydiving seems to be hypothetical that there is no logical way to prevent them. and if people happen to die, .... shit happens. I guess NO! NO! NO! IF we all sat back and didn't voice concern over something we saw as unsafe or "an accident waiting to happen" then this sport would be fucked. Just get with the S&TA and let them handle it. Two years from now when you have seen a bit more experiance you will really know what is dangerous and what just looks bad. There are a lot of things that we think we see from the ground while peple are under cnaopy and it turns out to be an illusion created by angles and different altitudes. I still have times when I see what to me looks like two canopies about to collide and then then just about the time it looks like they are gonna hit, I see that they are actually way far away. Don't stop caring and ALWAYS speak up if you think something ain't right. You may save someones life one day. Just for now go to the S&TA and your intructors. Don't go and tattle, just ask them what they think about what you just saw. If it is bad they will go say something to her.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #44 October 19, 2004 There seems to be several things about this tail that do not ring true. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #45 October 19, 2004 QuoteThere seems to be several things about this tail that do not ring true. Sparky Imagine it then.... I'm not looking for all that negativity here... so please, if you have anymore, keep it to yourself. -Tony "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #46 October 19, 2004 This thread is going places I would have otherwise liked to avoid... hence my question. To everyone, I'm thankful for all the helpful input and my question has been answered. Thanks, -Tony "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #47 October 19, 2004 Quoteopening way above planned altitude, flying WAY to close to some other friends under canopyIt's called CReW. Yes, it is extremely odd and dangerous behavior. It is often a sign of latent homosexuality and usually practiced by men with wife-swapping moustaches and tanktops. It is best to be avoided. Intervention may be required."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #48 October 20, 2004 I'm just as new as you are, don't know squat. But on my last jump, under canopy, another new jumper was riding my ass. If I turned, he did too, in the same direction. He was far too close to me, as we are both new, for my comfort. If I can see your facial expressions, you are WAY too close to me. I ended up turning hard to lose altitude to get away from him and landing not off, but not where I wanted to either as a result. When reviewing my jump with my coach, I told him why I ended up landing where I did and I wasn't comfortable with him being so close, as it was the second time it happened. This way there is no assigning blame, I only told him that I wasn't comfortable with the closer distance. The coach was on the ground, he was watching us, he knows if I am hypersensitive to my space (I'm waaaay too new to want anyone even remotely near me, either in freefall or under canopy) or if there really was a problem and will address it as he sees fit. I trust my coaches. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
