kelpdiver 2 #26 September 21, 2004 QuoteI stand by my comment... if you want to meet people who have thousands of jumps w/no tunnel... come on out to AZ. Who just broke ground on a tunnel ... oh right, Eloy did! I think that says it all, Matt. We'll see how you feel after doing a session. At our skill level, there's no better way to practice on sensitive RW moves. In the sky you have no fixed reference points, and you can only get someone else to play a still rock for you so many times. For the AFF student, if they can feel their legs, they probably won't miss the tunnel at all. I wasn't convinced I even had legs. And those who tense up in the air get to see how the more relaxed position is actually much more stable and makes the turns, etc, so much easier to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #27 September 22, 2004 It's apparent to me that interjecting your opinion into my responses and attempting to correct me has become a sport to you over the last few months. A nice paragraph with your own opinions & thoughts addressed directly to the person with the questions would've been much more appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #28 September 22, 2004 QuoteIt's apparent to me that interjecting your opinion into my responses and attempting to correct me has become a sport to you over the last few months. A nice paragraph with your own opinions & thoughts addressed directly to the person with the questions would've been much more appreciated. Dawn Suiter Geeze sorry. You made some comments and I was responding to YOUR comments...Which is why I responded to YOU. Your comments made it seem like DeLand is the only place with professional instructors. And my comment about the landing area is quite true. DeLand has a large area, but so does Zhills...And DeLand you do ride a truck back... Im sorry you seem to think I am "stalking you". Its not all about you."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #29 September 22, 2004 Oh.. thats Ron, he's like me and will pick a post apart if I don't agree with it. He's mostly harmless outside the Speakers Corner Tunnel time is a wonderful thing Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #30 September 22, 2004 phree... your not like Ron.. at least not to me... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zoter 0 #31 September 26, 2004 A quick search of 'Ron's' posts will show you that most people feel the same.... But he keeps diggin'.......damn that hole must be big by now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #32 September 26, 2004 sent pm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crutch 0 #33 September 26, 2004 There are also a lot of very good smaller DZ's in Florida, where you may get much more one on one coaching/instructing. The price may also be better, you don't get caught up in all the going ons, and there is usaually a lot less "traffic" in the air when you jump. I am not going to promote my DZ (Skydive Palatka), just say that going to a "large" DZ doesn't always get you any better instruction either.blue skies, art Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #34 September 27, 2004 That is absolutely true. For example, MANY of the most famous dropzones are still using outdated seven-level AFF and not following the ISP at all at their schools. Neither DeLand nor Z-hills, nor Eloy teach modern AFF. They teach the old system, then tell you to go sign up at Skydive U (or whatever they call it at their DZ....it's AZTC in Eloy) for the remainder of the "coach" jumps needed for an A-license. Many students at those DZ's do not even hear about the "A-card" until they finish their "old" AFF and get told what they need to do to get a license. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #35 September 27, 2004 At Eloy you start working off the items on the "A" license card during the whole ASP ---> AZTC progression. I was handed my "A" license proficiency card before my first AFF jump during ground school. While the instruction at Eloy is pricey for coach jumps you really get what you pay for IMHO. Also, you do 12 coached jumps after 3 solos immediately following the completion of ASP/AFF which is many more than some of the other DZs I have jumped at. I wouldn't hesitate to jump with someone that learned at Eloy, while on the other hand I have met people from other DZs with almost 100 jumps couldn't dock, track, or control their fall rate to save their life. (pardon the pun). While their instruction method may be considered "old" by some people's standards, they really do give you the skill necessary to build the foundation of a safe and fun skydiving progression from student status to RW or whatever else floats your boat. Just my $0.02... and I, and many others, really don't care if a certain person with ~3300 jumps agrees or not. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Zoter 0 #31 September 26, 2004 A quick search of 'Ron's' posts will show you that most people feel the same.... But he keeps diggin'.......damn that hole must be big by now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #32 September 26, 2004 sent pm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crutch 0 #33 September 26, 2004 There are also a lot of very good smaller DZ's in Florida, where you may get much more one on one coaching/instructing. The price may also be better, you don't get caught up in all the going ons, and there is usaually a lot less "traffic" in the air when you jump. I am not going to promote my DZ (Skydive Palatka), just say that going to a "large" DZ doesn't always get you any better instruction either.blue skies, art Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #34 September 27, 2004 That is absolutely true. For example, MANY of the most famous dropzones are still using outdated seven-level AFF and not following the ISP at all at their schools. Neither DeLand nor Z-hills, nor Eloy teach modern AFF. They teach the old system, then tell you to go sign up at Skydive U (or whatever they call it at their DZ....it's AZTC in Eloy) for the remainder of the "coach" jumps needed for an A-license. Many students at those DZ's do not even hear about the "A-card" until they finish their "old" AFF and get told what they need to do to get a license. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #35 September 27, 2004 At Eloy you start working off the items on the "A" license card during the whole ASP ---> AZTC progression. I was handed my "A" license proficiency card before my first AFF jump during ground school. While the instruction at Eloy is pricey for coach jumps you really get what you pay for IMHO. Also, you do 12 coached jumps after 3 solos immediately following the completion of ASP/AFF which is many more than some of the other DZs I have jumped at. I wouldn't hesitate to jump with someone that learned at Eloy, while on the other hand I have met people from other DZs with almost 100 jumps couldn't dock, track, or control their fall rate to save their life. (pardon the pun). While their instruction method may be considered "old" by some people's standards, they really do give you the skill necessary to build the foundation of a safe and fun skydiving progression from student status to RW or whatever else floats your boat. Just my $0.02... and I, and many others, really don't care if a certain person with ~3300 jumps agrees or not. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
