Skydiving and Drugs

[Airman1270 0]

...I'd really hate to see him bounce and cause the DZ major legal problems just because he smoked a joint 3 days ago...
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If he smoked it three days ago, it wouldn't have had anything to do with the accident. Of course, the toxicology test would reveal the presence of the substance, a fact which could be blown out of proportion for the purpose of vindictive litigation.

Once again, the defendant (in this case the DZ) would be punished not for doing a bad thing, but for failing to prevent a bad thing from happening. After all, they can't sue the guy responsible because he's dead, man.

Too many law school graduates; not enough legitimate work to keep them busy.

Jon

[BIGUN 1,312]

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lol if your going to rant at least rant intelligently..

again, for the foaming illiterates out there you might have MEANT that, and we can infer your real meaning from the rest of the post, but that is not what the last two sentences of your paragraph actually say.

some language skills would help. Why dont you turn a paper with such poor subject verb agreements into your academy professors, I'm sure they will straighten you out. Last time I checked clarity and accuracy were important writing skills...

Perhaps both of you should write a paper and submit it to me. It's due Wednesday.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[freeflybella 0]

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no that is not what he said, it might be what he meant, but its not what he said...

do you have issues with subject verb agreement?

'lil too much time in speaker's corner, Zen...



(All debates between the kerry-haters and bush-haters eventually degrade to nit-picking of grammar)

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

[riggerrob 643]

Too many law school graduates; not enough legitimate work to keep them busy.

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Agreed!

[ScratchTX 0]

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Done a bit of soul searching myself...

I'm going to my DZ this weekend to insist that they drug test every person who gets in the plane every single time ...

I will demand that any cigarette-smoking instructors are taken off the roster immediately ...
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Yes, thank you! Great post.

I think everyone agrees that it's a good idea to attempt to intervene if someone is about to do something stupid, including jumping impaired by any substance or state. But this whole demonization of "drug users" as some weird cultural group of people, is just bizarre. It's not whether someone is a "drug user" that matters, it's someone's relevant and present actions and abilities that matter. Sure, sometimes there can be a connection between drug use and attitudes re: acceptable risk, personal safety, and others' safety. But sometimes there is no connection, or a favorable connection. You just can't draw conclusions about someone's actions, behavior or abilities based on whether or not they can be identified as a "drug user" or not, any more than you can draw such conclusions about someone based on whether they are an "alcohol user," or a "gun owner" or a "base jumper," or even a "religion user."

And yes, it makes me really sad too that we have gotten to the point where someone should fear even asking certain questions, because of the chance that someone else will decide that those questions brand the questioner as a threat... geez, that's almost like being afraid to check certain books out of the library or join certain organizations because... hmm, never mind.

[mattjw916 2]

well said

NSCR-2376, SCR-15080

[billvon 2,991]

Cut it out, guys.

[douwanto 22]

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Because he knew that I was a pilot and had a Third Class Medical, a Tandem Rating Candidate, during a break in the Tandem course asked me whether or not they did drug testing as part of the Medical that is required to have a Tandem rating.

My initial response was I don't remember but the FAA publishes their guidelines and procedures for everyone.

Later that week after some soul searching I contacted the DZO and the Course Instructor. The DZO followed up with the individual and told me that his story was that he doesn't do drugs often, but does occasionally and was worried that a test might show positive for trace amounts even though he hadn't done anything recently. He also assured the DZO that he doesn't jump while impaired.

What would you do? Leave it up to the DZO? Inform the FAA? or something in between.

If his story is right and he really doesn't jump impaired then I feel comfortable leaving it in the DZO's hands. I'd really hate to see him bounce and cause the DZ major legal problems just because he smoked a joint 3 days ago, but that's the DZO's decision.

On the other hand, I'd never be able to forgive myself if he bounced with an innocent tandem passenger while impaired and I thought that I could have done something to stop it.

So you might destroy someones future and give him a bad reputation as a skydiver because he asked you if the FAA drug test tandem instructors????
Well I guess that does make him sound like a drug crazed neddle pushing dope smoking coke snorting mussy eating wacko..
Dude you may be a fuck head.

Uncle/GrandPapa Whit
Unico Rodriguez # 245
Muff Brother # 2421

[Eiley 0]

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So you might destroy someones future and give him a bad reputation as a skydiver because he asked you if the FAA drug test tandem instructors????
Well I guess that does make him sound like a drug crazed neddle pushing dope smoking coke snorting mussy eating wacko..
Dude you may be a fuck head.

Quite possibly. Undoubtedly the original poster figured on more support than this, given some of the similar threads in the Incidents and S&T fora.

I must admit I can't help wondering where all the hysterics who swear black and blue they would blab to the pilot/DZO/S&TA/FAA/God if they caught a whiff of a hint of a chance of a jumper having had a third of a beer a few hours ago have gone. Surely the originator of this thread would have to be their new pin-up boy?

Wowser hysterics.... Come out to play-ay!!!!! This thread has your name on it!!!

nothing to see here

[freakflyer9999 1]

[replyQuite possibly. Undoubtedly the original poster figured on more support than this, given some of the similar threads in the Incidents and S&T fora.

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Undoubtedly the original poster figured that his response of leaving it with the DZO was enough, but thought that he would confirm that decision with others. Others have confirmed and supported the answer. A few seem to think that even involving the DZO was going to far. The DZO didn't seem to think so.

Enough is enough. This thread has obviously gone beyond anything productive and should just be locked.

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[billvon 2,991]

And that's the end of that. Reminder that personal attacks will get threads locked _and_ people banned from posting.