PsychoBob 0 #1 August 31, 2004 On Sat. Aug. 28, I was doing a hop n pop at 5500. My canopy deployed but the left toggle went up through the gromet on the slider. When I went to release the brakes, I pulled down and the right side released but the left side knotted up on the riser on the top side of the slider. I tried to pull it back through but it became more entangled and the knot got tighter. I tried to steer with the rear riser but I could not stop the slow spin. I tried a practice flair and it turned and twisted and I decided I could not make a safe landing with the main canopy. I decided at 3,000 to cut away and landed on the reserve. I would encourage every student to continue to review your malfunction procedures and practice them before every jump. I was lucky to have great instructors that constantly pounded into my head total/partial malfunctions and insisted I go throught the motions each time. Though I was scared at having to cut away, the procedure came naturally and I was confortable in my decision and actions. Thanks to a drop zone (Emerald Coast Skydiving) that provides quality training and instructors that insist on learning things right, I can look forward to jumping again this weekend."I'm not a gynecologist but I will take a look at it" RB #1295, Smokey Sister #1, HellFish #658, Dirty Sanchez #194, Muff Brothers #3834, POPS #9614, Orfun Foster-Parent?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linny 1 #2 August 31, 2004 Right on. Congratulations on your survival. I, too, had a cut away on my 16th jump. Did you find your handles and bag afterward? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airman1270 0 #3 August 31, 2004 Nice job. You took the time to see if you could fly the main before determining, at a safe altitude, that a cutaway was in order. An important milestone as well. My first reserve ride was in October 1983 on jump #14. I was a student doing a 10 second delay (T-10, chest-mount reserve.) Couldn't find the ripcord & spent another 10 seconds trying before I decided I'd spent enough time on the main & pulled the reserve around 1200', just before the AAD was about to fire. My first terminal opening. I thought it odd that people gave me congrats for pulling the reserve; eventually I began to learn about all the people who should have pulled a reserve and never did. It would be interesting to hear from others: When was your first reserve ride? Details? Cheers, Jon S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a97virago 0 #4 August 31, 2004 My first reserve ride was on my 11th. At 4000, I had a two-out side-by-side. Turned into a downplane. Everyone on the ground was wondering who was doing CReW. Just me, the "One Man CReW Team". Cutaway the downplane within a sec of it starting and had my best landing to that point! Larry A-43434 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoBob 0 #5 August 31, 2004 I, too, had a cut away on my 16th jump. I guess we could call it sweet sixteen? Naaaaa!!! Did you find your handles and bag afterward? Yes, all 3 so I bought 3 cases of beer!"I'm not a gynecologist but I will take a look at it" RB #1295, Smokey Sister #1, HellFish #658, Dirty Sanchez #194, Muff Brothers #3834, POPS #9614, Orfun Foster-Parent?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skytash 0 #6 August 31, 2004 Quote My first reserve ride was [snip] on jump #14. Me too! but it was in 1997. My spring loaded pilot chute went over the front of the canopy and tied it into a bow-tie when I tried to flare (doing my control check). Decided I didn't want to land it and chopped. The same happened on my 16th jump, this time I didn't do a control check just 'Not again!' and chopped again. Was called 'malfunction junction' for a while after that. tashDon't ever save anything for a special occasion. Being alive is a special occasion. Avril Sloe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckbrown 0 #7 August 31, 2004 Good job. I had a cutaway on my 18th jump. And my 19th. I went home for the day after that one. It's amazing how calm you can be when your life depends on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoBob 0 #8 August 31, 2004 It's amazing how calm you can be when your life depends on it. Tell me about it. Also, your perspective on certain things like work and other shit that doesn't really matter get re-arranged real quick."I'm not a gynecologist but I will take a look at it" RB #1295, Smokey Sister #1, HellFish #658, Dirty Sanchez #194, Muff Brothers #3834, POPS #9614, Orfun Foster-Parent?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TEric 0 #9 August 31, 2004 Also jump # 16!! A lineover on my self-supervision checkout jump. When I looked up and saw it, I actually thought 'Those scumbags! I can't believe that THIS is part of the test!' After a moment of cursing my instructors, I remembered my emergency procedures and chopped away. Stuffed the handle down my jumpsuit and landed in the peas (for the 1st time). Once I got down, I headed off to find the gear, but got stopped by some friends who insisted that they would go find it so that I could get on sunset load to do my celebration jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #10 September 1, 2004 Kick ass bob.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #11 September 3, 2004 Wow.. jump # 16 sounds dangerous, I'm glad I skipped that one and went straight to #17 -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #12 September 3, 2004 You might try doing a full stall for a while, it can allow the PC to clear your canopy.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #13 September 4, 2004 QuoteOn Sat. Aug. 28, I was doing a hop n pop at 5500. My canopy deployed but the left toggle went up through the gromet on the slider. When I went to release the brakes, I pulled down and the right side released but the left side knotted up on the riser on the top side of the slider. I tried to pull it back through but it became more entangled and the knot got tighter. I tried to steer with the rear riser but I could not stop the slow spin. I tried a practice flair and it turned and twisted and I decided I could not make a safe landing with the main canopy. I decided at 3,000 to cut away and landed on the reserve. I would encourage every student to continue to review your malfunction procedures and practice them before every jump. I was lucky to have great instructors that constantly pounded into my head total/partial malfunctions and insisted I go throught the motions each time. Though I was scared at having to cut away, the procedure came naturally and I was confortable in my decision and actions. Thanks to a drop zone (Emerald Coast Skydiving) that provides quality training and instructors that insist on learning things right, I can look forward to jumping again this weekend. I am sure this is just an omission in your account, but how did the reserve open? pulled reserve handle, RSL or AAD fire??? Emergency Procedures for partial malfunctions are cutaway - pull reserve. cutaway - pull reserve cutaway - pull reserve cutaway - pull reserve Ok - that's a bit anal, but I have yet to find an instructor that only teaches 'cutaway' as an emergency procedure. It is cutaway - pull reserve. EPs can be 'Look red - grab red - look silver - grab silver - pull red - pull silver, but in a nutshell it is cutaway - pull reserve. I am a great believer that everyone should be pulling their reserve handle even if the RSL or AAD beats them. There was another thread(s) where a jumper(s) did not pull their reserve handle because the RSL beat them. To me it says they are behind the power curve, so to speak, in EPs. You should be pulling the reserve handle as the RSL pulls the pin. Remember both steps and physically practice both steps when you get a repack. Do not count on an RSL or AAD. Every year there is someone that dies because of improper execution of EPs. Remember that an RSL will not work if your main does not separate from you or the shackle is unlatched or not hooked to your main riser. An AAD may not work for a variety of reasons. cutaway - pull reserve cutaway - pull reserve cutaway - pull reserve .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoBob 0 #14 September 5, 2004 I am sure this is just an omission in your account, but how did the reserve open? pulled reserve handle, RSL or AAD fire??? Sorry I didn't specify but I cut away from the main and pulled the reserve handle. I'm sure the RSL had the reserve out before I pulled the handle but I was taught to look at the cut away handle and take it in both hands, then look at the reserve handle. Pull the cut away while looking at the reserve and then pull the reserve."I'm not a gynecologist but I will take a look at it" RB #1295, Smokey Sister #1, HellFish #658, Dirty Sanchez #194, Muff Brothers #3834, POPS #9614, Orfun Foster-Parent?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skylord 1 #15 September 5, 2004 Bob, Same EPs I'm taught. Look red, hands on red, look silver, pull red, pull silver. Great job!! When it happens to me I'm pulling everything except chest and leg straps!! You made the decision above what I assume is your hard deck, kudos! The RSL may have initiated the reserve deployment, but like I said, I'm pulling everything myself in the situation you found yourself in. All the automatic shit is back up, and you have to assume it won't work. BobBob Marks "-when you leave the airplane its all wrong til it goes right, its a whole different mindset, this is why you have system redundancy." Mattaman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoBob 0 #16 September 6, 2004 You made the decision above what I assume is your hard deck, kudos! Hey Bob, Yeah, the hard deck is 2500 and I was pulling at 3000. I posted a thread on NATCA net to see how many controllers are jumping. I've got 1 response so far. I talked with Mike Hull about getting back into the LR arena. Verderamo asked me if I would 2nd seat some arbitrations and I said sure. I'll keep you posted. Take care,"I'm not a gynecologist but I will take a look at it" RB #1295, Smokey Sister #1, HellFish #658, Dirty Sanchez #194, Muff Brothers #3834, POPS #9614, Orfun Foster-Parent?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #17 September 6, 2004 Just a reminder that there are SOS reserve systems still in use today..."cut away - pull reserve" does not apply to a SOS system Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soignet 0 #18 September 6, 2004 Just reading some threads and wanted you to know I am a controller at LFT learning to jump in louisiana. I am on jump #5 hope to get #6,7,8,9 this Sat if the weather is good. later, ST Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoBob 0 #19 September 7, 2004 Just reading some threads and wanted you to know I am a controller at LFT learning to jump in louisiana. I am on jump #5 hope to get #6,7,8,9 this Sat if the weather is good. Hey ST, I'm right down the road at Pensacola ATCT. I'm hoping to get my A by the end of the month. I jump at Emerald Coast in Elberta, AL about 20 west of PNS. Maybe we can meet up sometime after certifying for a few jumps and beers."I'm not a gynecologist but I will take a look at it" RB #1295, Smokey Sister #1, HellFish #658, Dirty Sanchez #194, Muff Brothers #3834, POPS #9614, Orfun Foster-Parent?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soignet 0 #20 September 7, 2004 Sounds good, I hope to have my A by the middle of OCT. at the latest. My wife's family live in AL Fort Rucker area so we go there often. It is definitly planable. Later ST Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
