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QuoteThe flatter the chest.. the higher the speeds capible I believe. And trust me Rosa... you don't have a flat chest.
Hey, I know how to dearch...
vdschoor 0
Yep.. I tried different ones already, and I am currently saving for either a GTI or an S3.
It's probably going to be an S3.
Iwan
It's probably going to be an S3.
Iwan
wmw999 2,517
I'm hoping to try one at the AOT boogie later this month 
Wendy W.
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
TALONSKY 0
There are a couple of containers that are probably less ideal for wingsuit flying. One of them is a Eclipse the reason is because the main packing tray at the top is sewn up toward the reserve container about 1 to 2 inch's creating a pocket for the main d-bag. Now I have not looked at a Reflex container in a while but someone mentioned to me that they to are sewn up creating a pocket for the main d-bag. You may want to have someone look at it before doing much wingsuit jumps. Now these containers can be used you just need to fully colapse your wings for about 5 seconds to burn off the forward speed and get you falling more or less straight down.
Kirk
Kirk
QuoteNow I have not looked at a Reflex container in a while but someone mentioned to me that they to are sewn up creating a pocket for the main d-bag. You may want to have someone look at it before doing much wingsuit jumps.
Thank you so much for the heads up! i was actually going to ask that very same question to my rigger and to Jari, of course!
QuoteQuoteI would love to jump a wingsuit, but I'm not experienced enough yet to do so. In time, though.
Whats to know? You look down= you fly up, you look up= you fly down, look left= fly left, to the right= fly right. How hard could it possibly be? Camm'on.
Well I wouldn't have a problem jumping wingsuit now given the opportunity, but I've been told by more experienced jumpers to wait, so I am taking their advice, they know more than I do.
KrisFlyZ 0
QuoteI'm hoping to try one at the AOT boogie later this month
Wendy W.
Cool, try one and then buy one. That way when I back to visit Spaceland(previous Home DZ), I will not be the only one flying a wingsuit.
Kris.
brits17 0
I used to say no, never. I lost someone dear to me due to a BM accident.
Its been 3 years since, I have much more experience and the incident is no longer holding me back. Maybe at the AOT boogie if I can find an appropriate parachute. Sounds like good times.
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Its been 3 years since, I have much more experience and the incident is no longer holding me back. Maybe at the AOT boogie if I can find an appropriate parachute. Sounds like good times.
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QuoteI used to say no, never. I lost someone dear to me due to a BM accident.
Gosh, I'm a little frightened by reading this and not knowing what you are referring to...as I am going to be trying my first wingsuit flight soon. Could you please tell me if there is a link or info on this BM accident that you have mentioned?
brits17 0
Sure. Here is the info from http://www.skyxtreme.com/archive/june_july2001/safety.html
Wow, it brings tears to read it again. Don't mean to be downers, its just the nature of the incident. Keep in mind he was demoing the Cobalt 150. It was not his usual parachute. The consensus was that he was probably a little headdown when he deployed, leading to the lines being entangled in his suit.
Fatality at Air Capital Skydiving Center
by Phil Haase, dropzone owner - jswphil@aol.com
Geoff Peggs, Age 21, died in a skydiving accident on Friday, June 15th in Wichita, Kansas. Geoff was making his 5th or 6th jump with a Birdman suit when he exited the Cessna 182 from 11,000 feet. Witnesses on the ground observed deployment at an estimated 4,000 feet AGL. The main parachute started to spin immediately after deployment and continued until impact. The Coroner stated that the injuries sustained upon impact caused immediate death.
Two USPA S&TA's, in cooperation with the Sedgwick County Sheriff and Coroners office conducted the investigation at the scene. The investigation showed that the right suspension lines were routed under Geoff's right arm and wrapped tightly around his right leg. The slider was wrapped around his right foot. The canopy, a cobalt 150, was fully deployed but with this "horsehoe" malfunction the canopy started an unrecoverable spin. The cutaway handle was unaccessible because of the way the suspension lines pressed the birdman wing against his body, totally covering the cutaway handle. It is the consensus of the two S&TA's investigating this incident that even if Geoff could have cut away, the suspension lines were so severely wrapped around the arms, legs, and foot that it would not have made a difference in clearing the malfunction. The reserve was not deployed, but the reserved handle was dislodged, most likely as a result of impact.
The S&TA's concur in their opinion that this incident was probably the result of deploying in an unstable body position. We have no way of knowing for sure if the Birdman suit was the only contributing factor, but since Geoff was a jumper with approx 300 jumps and no history of problems prior to this incident, Geoff's limited experience with the Birdman suit was most likely a factor in creating an unstable body position at deployment, resulting in a horsehoe malfunction. Unfortunately, because of the nature of this particular situation, Geoff was left with little or no options to correct the situation.
Geoff was an incredible guy. He seemed to fit in wherever he jumped and truly had a passion for skydiving. He was a student at Kansas State University and was planning an exciting career in aviation. He will be greatly missed by all of us. God Speed Geoff!
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Wow, it brings tears to read it again. Don't mean to be downers, its just the nature of the incident. Keep in mind he was demoing the Cobalt 150. It was not his usual parachute. The consensus was that he was probably a little headdown when he deployed, leading to the lines being entangled in his suit.
Fatality at Air Capital Skydiving Center
by Phil Haase, dropzone owner - jswphil@aol.com
Geoff Peggs, Age 21, died in a skydiving accident on Friday, June 15th in Wichita, Kansas. Geoff was making his 5th or 6th jump with a Birdman suit when he exited the Cessna 182 from 11,000 feet. Witnesses on the ground observed deployment at an estimated 4,000 feet AGL. The main parachute started to spin immediately after deployment and continued until impact. The Coroner stated that the injuries sustained upon impact caused immediate death.
Two USPA S&TA's, in cooperation with the Sedgwick County Sheriff and Coroners office conducted the investigation at the scene. The investigation showed that the right suspension lines were routed under Geoff's right arm and wrapped tightly around his right leg. The slider was wrapped around his right foot. The canopy, a cobalt 150, was fully deployed but with this "horsehoe" malfunction the canopy started an unrecoverable spin. The cutaway handle was unaccessible because of the way the suspension lines pressed the birdman wing against his body, totally covering the cutaway handle. It is the consensus of the two S&TA's investigating this incident that even if Geoff could have cut away, the suspension lines were so severely wrapped around the arms, legs, and foot that it would not have made a difference in clearing the malfunction. The reserve was not deployed, but the reserved handle was dislodged, most likely as a result of impact.
The S&TA's concur in their opinion that this incident was probably the result of deploying in an unstable body position. We have no way of knowing for sure if the Birdman suit was the only contributing factor, but since Geoff was a jumper with approx 300 jumps and no history of problems prior to this incident, Geoff's limited experience with the Birdman suit was most likely a factor in creating an unstable body position at deployment, resulting in a horsehoe malfunction. Unfortunately, because of the nature of this particular situation, Geoff was left with little or no options to correct the situation.
Geoff was an incredible guy. He seemed to fit in wherever he jumped and truly had a passion for skydiving. He was a student at Kansas State University and was planning an exciting career in aviation. He will be greatly missed by all of us. God Speed Geoff!
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Tonto 1
Thanks for the info. Good to know since we have no BMI's here yet, and I''m trying to keep this safe.
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It's the year of the Pig.
TALONSKY 0
Not to scare anyone away from wing suit flying but I would have this to say to younger jumpers. Anytime you add a piece of equipment (wingsuit, board, and camera) or go more high performance canopy; you are upping the anti so to speak in an emergency. In an emergency, you will now need a different set of procedures to deal with each thing plus needing to deal with the standard emergency procedures. I love wingsuit flying, but I can tell you I have been my most scared skydiving when things go wrong flying a wingsuit. There is nothing like being in a flat spin or almost head down on deployment. Just two weeks ago, I had my VX spin up on me on deployment (yes, it is not the best canopy for wingsuit) luckily it was flying straight but my head was pinned to my chest and I could not reach the risers. I had to guess which way to kick, I guess right. Be aware of the added risk, and always practice new emergency procedures.
Kirk
Kirk
ManBird 0
S3 + VX is doable, but both of those things, especially together, will deliver their share of scares over time. 
So, if you're just starting, just take it easy. Fly a Classic or GTi to start and use a docile canopy. Get training from a BMI or a very experienced wingsuit pilot. If you can't do that, try the new BMI forum on BirdMan.com for some trustworthy advice.
With all that we know and the resources we now have, wingsuit flying can safe enough. Just do it, damn it.
So, if you're just starting, just take it easy. Fly a Classic or GTi to start and use a docile canopy. Get training from a BMI or a very experienced wingsuit pilot. If you can't do that, try the new BMI forum on BirdMan.com for some trustworthy advice.
With all that we know and the resources we now have, wingsuit flying can safe enough. Just do it, damn it.
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Thanks for the info. I am a pretty conservative skydiver and will not be rushing into anything. Don't worry...I'll be jumping a Specter canopy and flying a Classic II suit. I will be taught my First Wingsuit Jump Course by Jari himself. Furthermore, I have survived cutting away and pulling my reserve (more than once, without an RSL & in a spin with my head pinned from unopen risers...weird, I know), so I know that I will not freak out during a cutaway. I would not try to rush into wingsuit flying. I am only going to try it if I am deemed ready.
Btw, thank you so much for the link Brits17, and I am so sorry for your loss.
Btw, thank you so much for the link Brits17, and I am so sorry for your loss.
ManBird 0
In 183 jumps? Nice. Have you ever made it through a repack cycle? I did this one time. It was awesome. Wait... no, it wasn't, really. I had to pay to have a canopy packed that I didn't even fly. WTF?QuoteI have survived cutting away and pulling my reserve (more than once
When Jari is giving you your FFC, don't be surprised if he asks you to undo your chest strap and get your wings waaaayy back.
He did that to me, too.
Just kidding. I never had a FFC.
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grue 1
I'd love to try one, but there are a few things against that happening:
1. I only have 4 jumps
2. I'm a big guy, and I get the impression wingsuits are more for the "built like a marathon runner" type, not the "built like a hockey player" type
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1. I only have 4 jumps
2. I'm a big guy, and I get the impression wingsuits are more for the "built like a marathon runner" type, not the "built like a hockey player" type
.cavete terrae.
Just kidding. I never had a FFC.
And you don't have a flat chest either, boy.
Well I wouldn't have a problem jumping wingsuit now given the opportunity, but I've been told by more experienced jumpers to wait, so I am taking their advice, they know more than I do.
I'm jokin girl. The time and the jumps will come very quik, before you know it. Just remember its crack, never be in a hurry to be a crackhead.
Kris 0
Quote2. I'm a big guy, and I get the impression wingsuits are more for the "built like a marathon runner" type, not the "built like a hockey player" type
Duuuuude! I'm 5'8", 235 pounds. I'm built like a homesick safe and I look like an overfed vulture in my GTi. That being said though, it's still the most fun I've had with clothes on and even though I'm a newbie, I can still get into the low 70's with it.
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QuoteDuuuuude! I'm 5'8", 235 pounds. I'm built like a homesick safe and I look like an overfed vulture in my GTi.
Muahahahaha...you have a way with words, Kris!
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