CerealKilla 0 #1 February 12, 2004 I'm a newbie, so bear with me. I have 1 or 2 instructors during my student training which give me conflicting opinions. One instructor tells me that in the event of a line over, go to emergency procedures; another instructor tells me to attempt to resolve the lineover. What is the general consensus? Confuscious say: "It take many nail to make a baby crib...but only one screw to fill it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #2 February 12, 2004 If it is clearly a lineover, cut away and open your reserve. You cannot land it safely and it can get ugly fast. If you can't tell (i.e. something looks wrong with the lines, but you're not sure) do a controllability check. If it won't turn, or you can't get it to go straight or flare, again, get rid of it. The good news is that a lineover is a low speed malfunction, so you _usually_ have a little more time to deal with it, especially at higher student opening altitudes. Note that most lineovers are ugly spinning things that are hard to miss. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #3 February 12, 2004 Altitude permitting, I would see if I can clear the line over while staying aware of my hard deck. If you dont have a landable canopy by your hard deck, initiate emergency procedures. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlvaroCarvalho 0 #4 February 12, 2004 Hello! My advice would be: take both opinions from your instructors. The decision to cutaway or attempt to resolve any malfunction involves many factors...mostly how high you are and how much time do you have to try to resolve it with safety. Don't forget the "Two attempts" golden rule, ok? You paid good money for your reserve...don't hesitate to use it. Blue skies! Hey...ho...let's go! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sabr190 0 #5 February 12, 2004 At your experience level I would have to agree with the instructor who said to go to your emergency procedures. Line over mals can cause a lot of different reactions from slow side to side rocking on light wingloads to full out spirals highly wingloaded canopies. Also depends on the location of the line over, endcell line over can sometimes be cleared, where a center cell line over is probably impossible to clear. Just my .02 cents. "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CerealKilla 0 #6 February 12, 2004 Thanks for the info. A lot of variables involved. I guess the answer depends on altitude, lineover positioning, et al. I LOVE THIS SPORT. The more info I have the betta. That's just great....now I'm gonna spend all my online time here Confuscious say: "It take many nail to make a baby crib...but only one screw to fill it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimDave 0 #7 February 12, 2004 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=903298;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread Check out this thread. This issue was discussed in detail just a few days ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #8 February 12, 2004 I would ask them both, together, to devise and present a non-conflicting plan to students. Conflicting advice from instructors is dangerous. Even the perception (from student point of view) of conflicting advice is bad. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 0 #9 February 12, 2004 I would go straight my E-procedures. By trying to clear a lineover you risk alot, you can damage/further damage your canopy with friction burns, a controllability check can make things go from bad to worse in a heartbeat, you could cut the wrong line/lines possibly further damaging your equipment while creating a whole new malfunction and all the while you are losing precious time/altitude. ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #10 February 12, 2004 As with any advice you get from here. . .consider it and discuss it with your instructors. There is a lot of good advice to be had here. I have discussed much that I learn here with my instructors and much of it has helped me. It is a great starting reference and they bring up excellent points for further discussion with those that know your flying ability. . .________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygirl1 1 #11 February 13, 2004 still a student.........when I first learned in another state they trained to try to clear it by pulling your toggles down 2x......if you cannot clear it cut-away.. It happend to me on my 4th jump.....I tried to clear it but my canopy was spinning faster and faster....i could barely pull the toggles down.....it was a fight under a spinning canopy............I went for my cutaway as soon as the dzo screamed into the radio to cutaway.............the reserve ride was the best canopy ride to date......... once I moved to florida........all my instructers train me to cut it away right away...............if you do happen to clear it.........depending on what line it is and such.........there is a good chance of burning a hole in your canopy...........then you have another problem and still losing altitiude.............from now I am cutting away right away.............they say line overs are slow speed malfunctions.........but they can turn terminal real fast............ one of my good friends is a big guy.........had a line over but began spinning so violently he could not clear it.............cut-away...............said he willl cut away the next one right away if it happens..........I know it is hard getting advice from differant instructors.................find the one your most comfortable with and work with him or her....you will find the answer within yourslef........... skygirl1" Mean people SUCK!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twnsnd 1 #12 February 15, 2004 Usually there is one smart instructor and one dumb instructor. They are team that way on purpose. Kind of a good cop, bad cop type thing. Just listen to the smart one. -We are the Swoophaters. We have travelled back in time to hate on your swoops.- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nelsonsd 0 #13 February 18, 2004 When talking about a line over any cell that you can not fix... what would cutting that line do? I personally would cut away and go to reserve... but would cutting that line clear it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #14 February 18, 2004 >I personally would cut away and go to reserve... but would cutting > that line clear it? Maybe yes, maybe no. It may clear the lineover but leave the canopy unflyable. Might be worth trying if you have a lineover on your reserve and certain death is your other choice; even if it doesn't work at least it will give you something to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kurt 0 #15 February 19, 2004 as a student. mostely the instruction, is going for emergy procedure. Not at all the different DZ's arround. Some DZ's have high pull alti. with the AFF and higher exit alt. for S/L. with the Turbine aircraffts. And the students have to take the steering lines, with a line-over. I had 3 line overs with a tandem canopy, (1 a realy pretty) and was always able to clear it with the steering lines. I think most of the time, a student canopy, is not gonna start spinning that fast. Like the non eleptical Tandem chutes. So if you feel confident, go for the steeringlines. it safed me more then 3 repacks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
