Who has to sign the waivers for under 18s?

[Daryl87 0]

Who has to sign the waivers for under 18s, if you have parents does it have to be your parents, what about other family members? Guardians, is there a legal thing about guardians or can anyone over 18 be your guardian?

In essence can anyone apart from my parents sign my waiver to jump?

[bigway 4]

are you for real? yes you must have your parents sign it. If you are under 18 you should listen to your parents/guardian. Your friends that are over 18 can not sign it. If you were to have a friend pretend to be your guardian and you got injured at all then the dropzone would get sued and you would have alot of people hating you for a very long time. Do not be so cruel. I imagine your parents are not wanting you to skydive. You should buy a video of skydiving or take them to a dropzone where they can see for them selves how safe it is. In my country skydiving is the safest adventure activity on the books.
I really hope you get to jump as it is the most brilliant experience you could ever do. But do all skydivers a favour and do it properly.
Good luck

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[akjmpplt 0]

In Alaska parents can NOT sign away a minors rights with a waiver. I think it is that way in most states, one of the reasons few dropzones allow people under 18 to skydive.

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[Chrisky 0]

A guardian is a legally (by a judge i guess) appointed person to handle your matters (instead of your parents). If everybody else (friends, cousins, unlces, whoever) could sign away your rights, i would have you buy me a ferrari right now.

In essence, no.

Edit: If the 87 in your nick is your year of birth, hell, wait five month and save money, you'll need it! I know waiting is hard, i'm way into instant gratification as well. Take it out to the DZ on your birthday with your friends!

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[acrojunky 0]

well im not SUJESTING anything BUT if anyone WAS like me you would catch your mom/dad in the dead ours of the morning say 5ish and tell him/her you need them to sign this paper/reallease form for a school project you know when she does not have any time too think so she does not know what she's signing. Or get a job and get real good at her signatere but I and only I shurly can't inmagin some under 18 kid DOING WHAT HE KNOWS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH dude jumping out off a perfectly good airplane takes ball's think of this as the first step and if you get caught well she signed the paper right?

[damion75 0]

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well im not SUJESTING anything BUT if anyone WAS like me you would catch your mom/dad in the dead ours of the morning say 5ish and tell him/her you need them to sign this paper/reallease form for a school project you know when she does not have any time too think so she does not know what she's signing. Or get a job and get real good at her signatere but I and only I shurly can't inmagin some under 18 kid DOING WHAT HE KNOWS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH dude jumping out off a perfectly good airplane takes ball's think of this as the first step and if you get caught well she signed the paper right?

Hey TROLL BOY - this is a joke too far.

Quite messing with people's lives.

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[acrojunky 0]

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well im not SUJESTING anything BUT if anyone WAS like me you would catch your mom/dad in the dead ours of the morning say 5ish and tell him/her you need them to sign this paper/reallease form for a school project you know when she does not have any time too think so she does not know what she's signing. Or get a job and get real good at her signatere but I and only I shurly can't inmagin some under 18 kid DOING WHAT HE KNOWS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH dude jumping out off a perfectly good airplane takes ball's think of this as the first step and if you get caught well she signed the paper right?

Hey TROLL BOY - this is a joke too far.

Quite messing with people's lives.

hey man if it worked for me it will work for him

[Fast 0]

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well im not SUJESTING anything BUT if anyone WAS like me you would catch your mom/dad in the dead ours of the morning say 5ish and tell him/her you need them to sign this paper/reallease form for a school project you know when she does not have any time too think so she does not know what she's signing. Or get a job and get real good at her signatere but I and only I shurly can't inmagin some under 18 kid DOING WHAT HE KNOWS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH dude jumping out off a perfectly good airplane takes ball's think of this as the first step and if you get caught well she signed the paper right?

Hey TROLL BOY - this is a joke too far.

Quite messing with people's lives.

hey man if it worked for me it will work for him

Not really the point. If your not 18 and your parents are not willing to sign the waiver don't push the subject. There are laws against forging a legally binding signature (its a felony actually) and tricking them into signing it is just about as stupid. So, either way... get the signature or wait it out. Don't mess around with it.

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[cameramonkey 0]

To my knowlege (IANAL) it is not truly possible for any parent, guardian, whatever... to sign away a minor's rights. This is true anywhere in the US.

BECAUSE...... (drum roll please)

If anything happens, down the road as soon as said minor turns 18 he is now responsible for his own butt... and can now sue the DZ because the parent had no binding legal right to waive his rights to sue. (non fatal accidents of course).

Basically, once the ability/responsibility is no longer on the guardian, any rights they waived are now null and void, and the now EX minor can turn around and sue you because they never signed away thier rights...


For example... 17yo gets parents to sign the waiver. kid does something stupid and ends up in a wheelchair. the following year, he is now responsible for himself, and can sue because he never signed away his rights. His parents signed that right away as a minor, and he is no longer a minor.


Its also a catch 22... even if he was asked to sign also to prevent this scenario, his signature is void because he wasnt of age yet to legally enter into a binding contract...


That boys and girls is why we tell the kids to wait...

(once again, I could be wrong... if there is a lawyer in the house, please correct me)

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[jimbarry 0]

I'm all for waiting until 18, but you bring up interesting points I'd like to understand if you don't mind.

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If anything happens, down the road as soon as said minor turns 18 he is now responsible for his own butt... and can now sue the DZ
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Basically, once the ability/responsibility is no longer on the guardian, any rights they waived are now null and void, and the now EX minor can turn around and sue you because they never signed away thier rights...

"Sue you" for something that happened that was legal before they turned 18? (not an attorney either. just trying to understand.) I could see them needing a new release to cover the 18yo from here on out, but...

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For example... 17yo gets parents to sign waiver. kid...ends up in a wheelchair. the following year, he...can sue because he never signed away his rights. His parents signed that right away as a minor, and he is no longer a minor.

In your scenario, sounds like Joe-18-year-old's lawsuit should be against the parents, not the DZ.

Back when I was 17, I enlisted in the army. My parents had to sign a release. When I turned 18, I could have gotten myself a free discharge because as an adult, I never actually signed myself up???

[kelpdiver 2]

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well im not SUJESTING anything BUT if anyone WAS like me you would catch your mom/dad in the dead ours of the morning say 5ish and tell him/her you need them to sign this paper/reallease form for a school project you know when she does not have any time too think so she does not know what she's signing.

Would even a total hung over and dead asleep parent start to wonder by page 3 of the waiver? Or tell the kid to beat it?

How many times do we have to sign the same document anyway? My DZ requires two complete copies even!

[cameramonkey 0]

Back when I was 17, I enlisted in the army. My parents had to sign a release. When I turned 18, I could have gotten myself a free discharge because as an adult, I never actually signed myself up???

[jimbarry 0]

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Not quite the same... If I remember right, its ONLY the part about the kid's right to sue you being waived that doesnt fly in court. I guess I probably should have been more clear.

Oops, gotcha. You did say that. I extended your point too far.
Thanks. Verrry interesting...