Kingkong 0 #1 February 3, 2004 I've just read the new 2002 safety & AAD reports from the IPC Technical & safety committee - pretty interesting stuff, especially after all the threads about "safe" or "not safe" in this forum... The results in the 2002 report are based on information (some in exact numbers, some in estimates) from 33 countries (including the US) all over the world. In 2002 a total of 357155 skydivers from 33 countries made 5769010 jumps. 73 of those jumps ended in fatalities. Wich means an average of 79028 jumps/fatality. 77% of the fatalities were students, 9% were intermediates, 13% were experts. The biggest group of fatalities (33%) was in the category "fast canopies", followed by "other landing errors" at 19%. The third largest group (16%) was "no activation or too low activation of the main parachute". By careful estimation, it appears that 94% (!) of the fatalities happened with the jumper having at least one good parachute on his or her back. 60% of the fatalities occurred after the successful deployment of the main parachute. Overall, 66 out of 73 fatalities "may have been caused by human error by skydivers". In the last chapter of the report, the technical & safety committee make the following conclusion (this is for you, Ron... :) "With human error being such a major factor in skydiving fatalities, the attention of all those involved in coaching and training, at international, national, regional and local levels should be focused on this issue." Blue skies & soft landings, O.J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #2 February 3, 2004 QuoteI've just read the new 2002 safety & AAD reports from the IPC Technical & safety committee - pretty interesting stuff, especially after all the Where can I find these reports (online?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kingkong 0 #3 February 3, 2004 As far as I know, you can't get them online. The report was distributed at the IPC coference in Lisbon, Portugal last week. /O.J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #4 February 4, 2004 Quote 77% of the fatalities were students, 9% were intermediates, 13% were experts. Do you know what they're classifying as a "student"? 77% is a lot higher than I would've expected. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #5 February 4, 2004 This report sounds quite interesting...if its not avaible online...maybe you could scan or transcribe it. TY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #6 February 4, 2004 Quote77% of the fatalities were students, 9% were intermediates, 13% were experts. The biggest group of fatalities (33%) was in the category "fast canopies", followed by "other landing errors" at 19%. The third largest group (16%) was "no activation or too low activation of the main parachute". K, got a question or three. 22% of the fatalities were by intermediates and experts, but 33% of the fatalities were in the "fast canopies" category. Ummmm, so my question is: how's this mathmatically possible? This shows me that even if all of the fatalities of non-students were on fast canopies, then at least 11% of the student fatalities were on fast canopies. What student program is putting students on "fast canopies?" Am I missing something here? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #7 February 4, 2004 hmmmm. i just posted the same thing in another thread. strange...namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nullified 0 #8 February 4, 2004 Edited for brainfarts Stay safe, Mike If you're gonna' be stupid, well, then you're most likely stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kingkong 0 #9 February 4, 2004 QuoteQuote 77% of the fatalities were students, 9% were intermediates, 13% were experts. Do you know what they're classifying as a "student"? 77% is a lot higher than I would've expected. Uhm... sorry. My fingers were faster than my brain on this one; here's what the report says: "Fatalities breakdown by percentages, against jump made by each category, in 2002 in 27 countries only (excluding Czechrepublic, Netherlands, New Zeeland, Spain, Sweden and USA, as the percentage of jumps/category cannot be ascerted for these countries). Students 77% of jumps (!) 30% of fatalities Intermediates 9% of jumps, 15% of fatalities Experts 13% of jumps, 56 (!) of fatalities" (Mental note to self: think before writing!) Sorry that I mesed that one up. The other figuerres should be correct, though. I belive "a student" is anyone who is not a A, , B , C , D... (etc) licenceholder. BSBD, /O.J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JKT 0 #10 February 4, 2004 Does the student category also include tandems? I assume so, otherwise I'd be amazed that students made 77% of all jumps. If so, I'd be interested to know how much % of the student fatalities were people on RAPS/AFF as opposed to being on a tandem if that figure is available.----- Official 100 jump wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #11 February 4, 2004 QuoteWhere can I find these reports (online?) I'm not interested enough to hunt the report down myself. However, you could try these web pages, below. If they've made it available online, it should be there somewhere. http://www.fai.org/parachuting/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vesatoro 0 #12 February 5, 2004 You can Find it HERE Vesa Toropainen National Board of Parachute Training and Safety "Fear is the path to the Dark side" (Master Yoda) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
174fps 1 #13 February 5, 2004 Quote I'd be amazed that students made 77% of all jumps. . Students made up 77% of all jumpers They classified all jumpers with less than 15 jumps as student, 16 to 250 as intermediate and 251 and above as expert. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elfanie 0 #14 February 5, 2004 Quote 77% of the fatalities were students, 9% were intermediates, 13% were experts. Umm...I think you misread somehow. If you look at the report, it says that total fatalities were 73 worldwide... 15 were students 14 were intermediates 44 were experts. That is NOT saying that 77% of fatalities were students!! IF you calculate it correctly... 20.5% were students 19.5% were intermediates 60% were experts. #1 cause of death was listed as "fast canopies"...twice the number of fatalities as the #2 cause of death, which is "other landings" (whatever that means) I don't know where you got that students were 77% of the fatalities...but that's not accurate... -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JKT 0 #15 February 5, 2004 QuoteQuote I'd be amazed that students made 77% of all jumps. . Students made up 77% of all jumpers They classified all jumpers with less than 15 jumps as student, 16 to 250 as intermediate and 251 and above as expert. OK, that makes much more sense!----- Official 100 jump wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
