FrflyPimpDaddy 0 #1 April 25, 2004 Ok --- second post aff jump. A self-proclaimed "jump wonder" breaks off on an rw jump and pulls high. He then proceeds to spiral down directly above me! Fast action on my part prevented any problems. Question: how do you handle the situation w/out causing problems, since he has more experience then me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffallen 0 #2 April 25, 2004 Just because he has more experiance than you does not mean he is any smarter than you. was the dive plan altered when he pulled high or was that planned into the jump? I am glad you were aware of what was happening and reacted to it in time. I think I would have spoken to him one on one after the jump and discuss what had happened. With only 2 jumps off AFF you may want to choose who you are jumping with a little better. From my short time in the sport, more experianced "low timers" tend to show off a little when they jump with less experianced "low timers" . Learn from this. Just my opinion. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #3 April 25, 2004 Did he not see you, or was he just too close for comfort? I mean, is it possible he was just spiralling past you to get below to stay out of your way, or was he really headed right for you? How'd ya see him directly above? What I woulda done is asked him if he saw you. If he said no, I would just tell him what happened. Shouldn't need a lecture. If he cares, he'll realize how big a mistake he made right away. If he doesn't care and blows ya off, no amount of lecturing is gonna change him. On the other hand he might tell you he saw you and knew exactly what he was doing and wasn't gonna hit you. You'd definitely be allowed to tell him you didn't appreciate it and it was too close for comfort. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrflyPimpDaddy 0 #4 April 25, 2004 We all planned on breaking at 4500'. Everyone was supposed to track and pull at 3000'. The person was ahead of me and above me when I was open. I saw him right off the tip of my canopy after a visual check. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #5 April 25, 2004 QuoteWhat I woulda done is asked him if he saw you. If he said no, I would just tell him what happened. Shouldn't need a lecture. If he cares, he'll realize how big a mistake he made right away. If he doesn't care and blows ya off, no amount of lecturing is gonna change him. On the other hand he might tell you he saw you and knew exactly what he was doing and wasn't gonna hit you. You'd definitely be allowed to tell him you didn't appreciate it and it was too close for comfort. I did something very similar this weekend. The jumper I did it to, came to me and told me. I was not even aware I did it. I was sure I checked around me before spiraling down. Thank God he saw me and thank God he came to me and told me later. I was sick to my stomach over it. But he was kind and just wanted to make sure I was more aware. It was tough having someone come up to you and say "You F'ed up there." but I am glad he did. I am glad he handled it kindly and not heated even if he was heated inside (and rightfully so). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thermosnight 0 #6 April 25, 2004 Hi Greg, Glad you are asking the right questions about safety and canopy awareness. In my limited experience, no amount of jumps or years in the sport will necessarily prevent someone from landing on my head under canopy. What will minimise that risk is my own attitude and that of the other divers in the air at the time. I was in Deland a while ago and someone almost landed on top of my canopy as they opened (they were on a separate dive to me). I had just completed the Canopy School training with Scott Miller that week (excellent coach!). In no time at all I was suddenly far more aware of others in the sky and how to get out of a difficult spot, irrespective of who's fault it was. The only people in this sport that I avoid like the plague are those who either think they know best and don't accept feedback, or jumpers who don't know best and also don't accept feedback. I hope your mate listens to 'constructive criticism' if it is justified and does not take offence. This is how I have learned most of what I know - through honesty, a little respect and plain old-fashioned openness. Dave.My favourite saying is under construction... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foulkie 0 #7 April 26, 2004 That sucks pimpdaddy. There are way too many unknown variables involved in this sport. It really sucks that the biggest danger is that other jumper not paying attention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffallen 0 #8 April 26, 2004 I was thinking about this a little more and just wondering exactly how many people were in this RW group with a student on only his 2nd jump off AFF. Breaking at 4500 and tracking and opening at 3000 with such little experiance with a bigger group does not sound very good to me. On my 2nd solo jump I was still trying to make sure I was doing everything right by myself. maybee I was just not as confident with my capabilites at that time?? I do not believe the instructors where I jump would alow this just yet. Just my opinion. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damion75 0 #9 April 26, 2004 QuoteI was thinking about this a little more and just wondering exactly how many people were in this RW group with a student on only his 2nd jump off AFF. Breaking at 4500 and tracking and opening at 3000 with such little experiance with a bigger group does not sound very good to me. On my 2nd solo jump I was still trying to make sure I was doing everything right by myself. maybee I was just not as confident with my capabilites at that time?? I do not believe the instructors where I jump would alow this just yet. Just my opinion. Jeff I have to say that the way I read this, it is not the guy on his second jump off AFF who is on the RW jump - the RW self proclaimed wonder's jump numbers are not given (may not be known) but he is the one who appears to be at fault...*************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #10 April 26, 2004 Before people spiral, they should look behind them. They need to consider that they will be going down and back. You can be following someone in a pattern and then... here they come towards you. People should never spiral in the pattern. If they want to burn altitude, they should do it on the outside. If someone doesn't understand these two guidelines, then it should be mentioned to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffallen 0 #11 April 26, 2004 I have to say that the way I read this, it is not the guy on his second jump off AFF who is on the RW jump - the RW self proclaimed wonder's jump numbers are not given (may not be known) but he is the one who appears to be at fault... You may be right. If you read post #1 and post #4 it sounds like they may have been in the same group since THEY ALL planned on breaking at 4500 and pulling at 3000. Jump wonder sounds like he broke off and pulled high, puting him right over the group he was jumping with. If they were in seperate groups and were on top of each other, maybe not enough exit seperation. Anyway, someone with only 2 post Aff jump should not really be in much traffic anyway if he is last out and opening a little higher. Probably not enough info to really tell what happened. what looks close to some may not really be that close. Bottom line, don't spiral down into traffic. Just my opinon, Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
