skyslammer 0 #1 January 12, 2004 People always told me that when it clicked you would just be like now why didn't i do that earlier. Well it finally happened. I had slow turns, sometimes fast due to bad body position. Much to do with not arching enough and not enough leg awareness. After 3 level 4's, 10 level 5's, 2 level 6's, i finally got it. Much of it for me had to do with just squezing those butt cheeks together. But you have to feel it, if your knees are too far apart it makes it harder and you can't get your hips to where they need to be. Once i got that I was flying straight. Another thing i learned which I believe a lot of new people need to know is that when landing DON'T look down to determine how high you are, look out at something. When your flaring go into about a 3/4 to 1/2 brakes before you flare just to get some tension, then flare all the way, makes for a great landing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elfanie 0 #2 January 12, 2004 Quote Another thing i learned which I believe a lot of new people need to know is that when landing DON'T look down to determine how high you are, look out at something. When your flaring go into about a 3/4 to 1/2 brakes before you flare just to get some tension, then flare all the way, makes for a great landing. *said to more experienced jumpers than myself* Umm...doesn't this depend on what canopy you're flying as well as the winds? If I go to half brakes on my sabre, it'll lift me right up...especially on windy days. If I went to half brakes on the larger Silhouette I was jumping, it would have taken all of my speed so I'd get NO lift.. So...doesn't this depend on the canopy you're flying as well as the winds? (right now I'm needing to do a staged flare most of the time..works great...but still, I can't imagine if I just went into 1/2 or 3/4 brakes and stopped..) What do you more experienced jumpers think or have to say about this? -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyslammer 0 #3 January 12, 2004 I wasn't directing it to more experienced jumpers, i said "new people need to know". Your right though, it's mainly for students like myself who are still flying those 190's and above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #4 January 12, 2004 that doesn't work for me. what happens if I go to half breaks, pause, and then to full breaks, is I don't get the full flare and end up crashing, even if I finish the flare at the right time. What has worked for me is one smooth flare from top to bottom at the right time. its just finding the right time thats been a problem. I've been jumping a spectre 210. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #5 January 12, 2004 QuoteWhat do you more experienced jumpers think or have to say about this? I'd say it's best to take advice about how to flare from your instructors, who know the canopy you are jumping and have seen you landing, instead of off the internet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #6 January 12, 2004 QuoteWhen your flaring go into about a 3/4 to 1/2 brakes before you flare just to get some tension, then flare all the way, makes for a great landing. I dont think I would recommend this landing procedure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elfanie 0 #7 January 12, 2004 QuoteI wasn't directing it to more experienced jumpers, i said "new people need to know". Your right though, it's mainly for students like myself who are still flying those 190's and above. No no no...I was directing it to more experienced jumpers...because I am not experienced enough to make any comments on it that anyone should listen to. I was asking more experienced jumpers than myself if they agreed with your suggestion of half brakes first then completing the flare...if they would suggest that for students. And are the students at your DZ on 190's? My DZ starts students off on a manta 288 or a nav 260...190 seems a little smaller than what I would expect. (but I don't know any other programs at any other DZ other than what my DZ does...) -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyslammer 0 #8 January 12, 2004 I started out on a 288 then progressively the moved me up to 190, I have good canopy control, they thought that by giving me a smaller rig might help me fly better because i was having some problems with unintentional turns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyslammer 0 #9 January 12, 2004 im still a student, and i know i don't know that much about skydiving, those were just little things that i was learning, that might help some other students. Above all listen to what your jump master says, cause i guarantee you he'll know more than i do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #10 January 12, 2004 Read this: www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=824624#824624... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cruzit 0 #11 January 12, 2004 Quoteim still a student, and i know i don't know that much about skydiving Exactly, which is why you should be very careful about your advice. What works for you may, and probably, will not work for someone else. QuoteAbove all listen to what your jump master says, cause i guarantee you he'll know more than i do. That would be my advice as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #12 January 12, 2004 yahi hate to say this but why would i take advice from another student. I am level 5 and i can tell you i still have no clue to what im doing compaired to the older guys on here. Thats why i shut up and listen to them..... and then i talk to my instructors to see if they are right.-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #13 January 13, 2004 Quote After 3 level 4's, 10 level 5's, 2 level 6's, i finally got it. wow thats a lotta student jumps. hey, but persistance pays off. good job for sticking with it. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flygirl03 0 #14 January 13, 2004 QuoteAfter 3 level 4's, 10 level 5's, 2 level 6's, i finally got it. ********* wow thats a lotta student jumps. hey, but persistence pays off. good job for sticking with it. Sounds vaguely familiar, I have 4 level 3's, 9 level 4's and 1 level 5 so far..... Glad you didn't give up... you are SO close now!!!You are an INSPIRATION to me!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ earthbound misfit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #15 January 13, 2004 QuoteI started out on a 288 then progressively the moved me up to 190, I have good canopy control, they thought that by giving me a smaller rig might help me fly better because i was having some problems with unintentional turns. I do not understand this. What exactly do you mean by problems with unintentional turns? All I can think of is that your arm unintentionally pulls a toggle and then lets it up (or not). That sounds more like a seizure. You are probably not having seizures up there. At least I hope not. Sometimes people flare asymmetrically and induce a slight turn on landing. If this was your problem it should be corrected while using the larger canopy. A smaller canopy will only make the consequences more severe. I'll assume that your JMs asked you to fly straight at full flight to make sure a turn was not induced by an uneven harness or a trim problem in the canopy. [This might be a bold assumption.]. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
btucker 0 #16 January 13, 2004 Congrats! A long journey but with great reward. When I was learning to fly (my body) all my instructors told me to relax and it would all work fine. RELAX -GUEZZ! When I did eventually manage to relax it all came together. It is a great feeling indeed revel in it! Blues Benno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saramorgan 0 #17 January 19, 2004 Hi. Something that helped me a lot was learning how to look out, and really relax my eyes- so I'm not really focused on anything-just looking straight out, and trusting yourself to know how tall you are, and letting your peripheral vision tell you when the ground is coming up to meet you. Good luck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
