GARYC24 3 #51 April 13, 2004 The first time was on a PD CReW Lightning. Intentional.. By the way..after a balloon jump I took ~2 wraps of line and canopy collapsed while landing!..Looked really bad on the video..later on I found out I had a blown cell !..got a new canopy! Haven't collapsed it though..may just do it this weekend! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Courteney 0 #52 April 14, 2004 I've intentionally stalled 2 canopies a coupla times. It was recommended by a senior instructor at our dz and on a Fly Like A Pro vid my wife bought. It is recommended to know where your canopy's stalling point is and to know how it's going to react to a full on stall...and how you will react to it. Just a word of advice, always do it with enough altitude to sort out any shit that might hit the fan. Release your toggles up slowly!!! The last stall I did on my Stiletto 135 caught me by surprise and I let up my toggles a tad fast. Only half the canopy re-inflated and sent me into a spin. Quite interesting pumping ones brakes whilst parallel to the ground. Could've been line twists at 1000'...not a good idea. Think about it....drags me down like some sweet gravity!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
colintri 0 #53 April 19, 2004 Hey, Don. I did it yesterday. I did a high hop 'n' pop to play around with my canopy. I must admit, it was a strange (SCARY) feeling when I stalled my canopy completely and both ends of it come together, throws you down backwards. Needless to say, my heart rate jumped up about 100 beats a minute. I sucked it up and did it again. So two total canopy collapses for me yesterday. It's a valuable learning experience to see how your parachute works in the air. Thanks to Brian Germain's course, I've been paying more attention to the fine details of parachute design and truly learning how to fly it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #54 April 19, 2004 ***I flew my PD143 reserve as a main. Now that sucker stalls! Scary. QuoteVery good point you made. I watched a friend stall her reserve when landing and break a vertebra or two. It stalled with the toggles way too high, in my opinion. If you can, check your stall point on your reserve. If you can't, then flare with caution, and PLF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #55 April 19, 2004 QuoteWe called it SCReW (Stalled Canopy Relative Work) and had loads of fun. Somewhere I have a video of 6 of us in a circle ~50' in diameter (IIRC, it was taken from Kevin's POV cam). Sweet! I'd love to see that. It sounds eerily similar to a Polish firing squad. :-) Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tandembrent 0 #56 April 20, 2004 i stall my canopy at least 30 times a year. i have been in a stall for at least 1000 ft. i haven't had to chop after doing this, YET! green grass and high clouds~~~~Green grass and high clouds forever~~~~ no matter where you go, there you are! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katiebear21 0 #57 April 20, 2004 QuoteMost with toggles (coupla wraps first), John, glad you added that. I hadn't stalled my canopy before and tried last weekend. I could not stall it without wrapping the toggles twice around my hand. I've spoken to another girl my size with the same situation. Question: Is this a bad thing? I have 18" risers and have no problems reaching up or flaring nicely on my Sabre2 150. Am I losing some performance of my canopy by not being able to reach my stall point? Katie Get your PMS glass necklace here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #58 April 20, 2004 katie. if you can pull your toggles all the way down and hold them there. and not stall the canopy. then i would tighten the brake lines in 1 inch intervals till at full flare after about 3-5 seconds the canopy stalls.. or not compleatly stall but on the point where it is going to.. with that said.. you can only go as tight as the brake lines will allow. after they get a little too tight then it will start pilliung the tail slightly.. you want a slight bow in the brake lines at full flight. with no tail deflection. and be able to put the canopy on its stall point at full flare after about 3-5 seconds.. i say 3-5 seconds.... you dont punch the toggles to full flare then count. just flare slowly at altitude and when you get to full arms length then count. you going to be in monroe this weekend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katiebear21 0 #59 April 20, 2004 Quotei say 3-5 seconds.... you dont punch the toggles to full flare then count. just flare slowly at altitude and when you get to full arms length then count. Ok, that's what I tried after my BM jump. Will definitely try what you said. Chuck and I might be in Opelika this weekend for his Dad's B-Day. Still up in the air. That's why I'm pushing for him to hit The Farm 1/2 May! Katie Get your PMS glass necklace here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #60 April 21, 2004 Marks hit it on the head, Katie. BTW - My Sabre2 is set 1" above the factory mark and is dead-on perfect for me.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #61 April 21, 2004 ya... i had to let my brake lines out 5 inches from the factory setting to get it perfect... it took like 10 jumps for me to finally get them where i need them.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ianmdrennan 2 #62 April 21, 2004 Hi Katie, My wife has the exact same problem on her sabre2. We thought about lengthening the brake lines, but she's learning high performance landings and there's already a little bit of tail deflection when she pulls both front risers down. She cannot stall hers without taking a wrap as well. I wonder how much loading plays a part in this? Hope to see you in Monroe this weekend. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #63 April 21, 2004 get longer risers... 2 inches makes a huge difference... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #64 April 22, 2004 I've intentionally stalled a few times.. always above 3000. I've only ever totally trashed it twice under mantas. A littel nerve wracking the first time but It's all good as long as you recover smoothly. It's good to know the exact stalling point of your wing. It's said in aviation that the perfect landing, is one where you are stalling as your landing gear touches the ground. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites deurich2003 0 #65 April 22, 2004 Skydivers very rarely stall their canopies when they land. If you were to stall your canopy and your landing gear hadn't touched down (in a balanced fasion) than the canopy will provide no support at all and your landing isn't going to be pretty to say the least. Never Give up! Never Surrender! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #66 April 22, 2004 Actually, you stall your canopy each and every time you land it. It's just that usually, it doesn't happen until you've got all your weight on your feet. Agreed, especially with a performance landing, that you should still have a bit of fligth left in your fabric... Just stating it as food for thought... the "perfect" landing is one where you loose lift entirely the moment you touch down. It's definately good to know where your stall point is. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
livendive 8 #55 April 19, 2004 QuoteWe called it SCReW (Stalled Canopy Relative Work) and had loads of fun. Somewhere I have a video of 6 of us in a circle ~50' in diameter (IIRC, it was taken from Kevin's POV cam). Sweet! I'd love to see that. It sounds eerily similar to a Polish firing squad. :-) Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tandembrent 0 #56 April 20, 2004 i stall my canopy at least 30 times a year. i have been in a stall for at least 1000 ft. i haven't had to chop after doing this, YET! green grass and high clouds~~~~Green grass and high clouds forever~~~~ no matter where you go, there you are! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katiebear21 0 #57 April 20, 2004 QuoteMost with toggles (coupla wraps first), John, glad you added that. I hadn't stalled my canopy before and tried last weekend. I could not stall it without wrapping the toggles twice around my hand. I've spoken to another girl my size with the same situation. Question: Is this a bad thing? I have 18" risers and have no problems reaching up or flaring nicely on my Sabre2 150. Am I losing some performance of my canopy by not being able to reach my stall point? Katie Get your PMS glass necklace here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #58 April 20, 2004 katie. if you can pull your toggles all the way down and hold them there. and not stall the canopy. then i would tighten the brake lines in 1 inch intervals till at full flare after about 3-5 seconds the canopy stalls.. or not compleatly stall but on the point where it is going to.. with that said.. you can only go as tight as the brake lines will allow. after they get a little too tight then it will start pilliung the tail slightly.. you want a slight bow in the brake lines at full flight. with no tail deflection. and be able to put the canopy on its stall point at full flare after about 3-5 seconds.. i say 3-5 seconds.... you dont punch the toggles to full flare then count. just flare slowly at altitude and when you get to full arms length then count. you going to be in monroe this weekend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katiebear21 0 #59 April 20, 2004 Quotei say 3-5 seconds.... you dont punch the toggles to full flare then count. just flare slowly at altitude and when you get to full arms length then count. Ok, that's what I tried after my BM jump. Will definitely try what you said. Chuck and I might be in Opelika this weekend for his Dad's B-Day. Still up in the air. That's why I'm pushing for him to hit The Farm 1/2 May! Katie Get your PMS glass necklace here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #60 April 21, 2004 Marks hit it on the head, Katie. BTW - My Sabre2 is set 1" above the factory mark and is dead-on perfect for me.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #61 April 21, 2004 ya... i had to let my brake lines out 5 inches from the factory setting to get it perfect... it took like 10 jumps for me to finally get them where i need them.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #62 April 21, 2004 Hi Katie, My wife has the exact same problem on her sabre2. We thought about lengthening the brake lines, but she's learning high performance landings and there's already a little bit of tail deflection when she pulls both front risers down. She cannot stall hers without taking a wrap as well. I wonder how much loading plays a part in this? Hope to see you in Monroe this weekend. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #63 April 21, 2004 get longer risers... 2 inches makes a huge difference... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #64 April 22, 2004 I've intentionally stalled a few times.. always above 3000. I've only ever totally trashed it twice under mantas. A littel nerve wracking the first time but It's all good as long as you recover smoothly. It's good to know the exact stalling point of your wing. It's said in aviation that the perfect landing, is one where you are stalling as your landing gear touches the ground. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deurich2003 0 #65 April 22, 2004 Skydivers very rarely stall their canopies when they land. If you were to stall your canopy and your landing gear hadn't touched down (in a balanced fasion) than the canopy will provide no support at all and your landing isn't going to be pretty to say the least. Never Give up! Never Surrender! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #66 April 22, 2004 Actually, you stall your canopy each and every time you land it. It's just that usually, it doesn't happen until you've got all your weight on your feet. Agreed, especially with a performance landing, that you should still have a bit of fligth left in your fabric... Just stating it as food for thought... the "perfect" landing is one where you loose lift entirely the moment you touch down. It's definately good to know where your stall point is. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
