Chapsta 0 #1 January 11, 2004 I had a great 3 way freefly jump yesterday. Tracked off at 5 and dumped around 3.4k. When I looked up I saw a line over the left side of my canopy and, much to my embarassment, a twist in my left riser. As soon as I saw this I knew I had packed this mal. I cut it @ 2k and whipped out the reserve sitting comfortably at about 1.5k. Kept both handles and followed the freebag down for an uneventful landing. My main was recovered shortly after. Never in a million years did I think I could do something that freaking stupid... but there it is. I'm positive I packed that twist into my canopy and for the life of me I can't figure out how I let that happen. I flake the canopy the same way every time. How could I flake this thing with a twist and not notice?? ChapsCarpe diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #2 January 11, 2004 can you explain the twist in the left riser ?? don't understand teh concept. Possible to make pics of reproduced mal ?? glad you made it safely down---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gremlin 0 #3 January 11, 2004 Good skills in carrying out your drills. Better luck with the packing... I'm drunk, you're drunk, lets go back to mine.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #4 January 11, 2004 QuoteHow could I flake this thing with a twist and not notice?? Soiunds like you packed a 'step-through'. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GraficO 0 #5 January 12, 2004 Complacency in anything extreme will eventually kill you. Glad you walked out of it ok. GraficOGraficO "A Mind is a terrible thing to taste." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #6 January 12, 2004 QuoteI had a great 3 way freefly jump yesterday. Tracked off at 5 and dumped around 3.4k. When I looked up I saw a line over the left side of my canopy and, much to my embarassment, a twist in my left riser. As soon as I saw this I knew I had packed this mal. I cut it @ 2k and whipped out the reserve sitting comfortably at about 1.5k. Kept both handles and followed the freebag down for an uneventful landing. My main was recovered shortly after. Never in a million years did I think I could do something that freaking stupid... but there it is. I'm positive I packed that twist into my canopy and for the life of me I can't figure out how I let that happen. I flake the canopy the same way every time. How could I flake this thing with a twist and not notice?? Chaps Why is this considered an 'Incident' here? .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chapsta 0 #7 January 12, 2004 I'm sorry... I should have been more precise when I explained the mal... yeah... it was a 'step through' on the left side but not the right. The same side that had the line over had a twist in the riser from my packing mistake. Make it happen: Incidents include: malfunctions, cutaways, wraps, collisions, crash landings etc. While I appreciate your critical nature, maybe you should read the rules before asking questions. Thanx everybody... ChapsCarpe diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #8 January 12, 2004 QuoteI'm sorry... I should have been more precise when I explained the mal... yeah... it was a 'step through' on the left side but not the right. The same side that had the line over had a twist in the riser from my packing mistake. Make it happen: Incidents include: malfunctions, cutaways, wraps, collisions, crash landings etc. While I appreciate your critical nature, maybe you should read the rules before asking questions. Thanx everybody... Chaps doh! - I think I read the 'rules'. Before you start a thread in the Incidents Forum or reply to post please consider the guidelines below: * The purpose of this forum is to report, discuss and learn from fatal and serious non-fatal incidents. * Most, if not all, new threads here should start with the report of an actual incident. General safety issues or small and potential incidents should be posted to the Safety and Training forum. * Incidents include: malfunctions, cutaways, wraps, collisions, crash landings etc. I trust everyone will use their good judgment before starting a thread or disposing of advice. * In case of a fatality please post your condolences to the Talkback forum and keep this forum for discussion. was this a fatal or serious non-fatal incident??? seems to me to be just an ordinary run of the mill malfunction.. That's something everyone ought to expect some time or another while jumping. USPA wouldn't even expect an incident report on this. Why is this an 'Incident' as opposed to a 'General safety issue'??? IMHO, this is not an incident. Let me explain my motivation for asking this question. If run-of-the-mill-mals get elevated to 'Incidents', then people may start thinking that this is abnormal. They might think parachutes work all the time. They might even think reserves work all the time - just cuz they have a TSO (in the US). I don't know about you, but this stuff is 'to-be-expected' on any given jump. Normal stuff. I repeat - this is not an incident. You are not the first person to pack a step thru & probably won't be the last. Remind people to do a brake line check at the start of a packing & it most likely won't happen to them. General Safety Issue: Do a brake line check at the start of packing. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chapsta 0 #9 January 12, 2004 Right on man... I wasn't trying to flame you. I just had an accident and this seemed like the place to put it. I was hoping to get feed back from others or to let others know that it happened to take from it what they will... which is probably that I'm an idiot for packing a step through. You've shown me I shouldn't have posted here. Maybe one of the moderators could move it for us. ChapsCarpe diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #10 January 12, 2004 Sorry for continuing this in the "wrong" forum, but not like I can move this post myself, so nevermind. My question is: would a 4-line check have caught this? I only ask because I do NOT want to pack one of these for myself, and I know I twirl up my canopy pretty good sometimes between landing and repacking, and the way I check that everything is in order is to run the lines up, hang the lines over both shoulders, and check the four groups of lines individually to make sure they go to the correct four quarters of the canopy without crossing anywhere. And I just want to know if my procedure would likely catch a step-through. I guess I could just do a step-through next weekend and see... -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #11 January 12, 2004 If you have a step-thru - It should be pretty obvious when you walk up your lines, you'll notice that the attachment point on one side of you canopy are screwed around... What I would like to know is whether or not your line over could have been caused by the step-thru, or if that was an independant event--- I'm glad to hear that you made it out okay - It sounds like you learned and knew what mistakes you made, it isn't my job or anyone else's job here on DZ.com to critisize you or tell you what you did wrong - Blues,=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #12 January 12, 2004 would anyone consider useful, or does anyone who teaches packing classes consider passing the rig through the risers and showing the participants in the class what a step-through looks like when you walk the lines out? (it's pretty screwy looking even before you get half way to the canopy) Or should it be enough to show them what the lines are supposed to look like and say, "if it doesn't look like this, something is wrong." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottishJohn 25 #13 January 12, 2004 Its also possible to get a step through by flipping the back through the lines prior to putting the bag in the container. This sort of step through is not as easy to spot as noticing a step through at the start of a pck job.---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you think my attitude stinks you should smell my fingers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chapsta 0 #14 January 12, 2004 That's interesting. I just don't want to let myself believe that the twist was in there when I layed the canopy down. Maybe I did somehow cause it by moving the bag... but then wouldn't the twist have to be on both sides? ChapsCarpe diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #15 January 12, 2004 Correct me if I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time... But isn't a "step through on one side" an impossibility?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewis321 0 #16 January 13, 2004 QuoteGeneral safety issues or small and potential incidents should be posted to the Safety and Training forum. * Incidents include: malfunctions, cutaways, wraps, collisions, crash landings etc. I trust everyone will use their good judgment before starting a thread or disposing of advice. I'm not trying to flame here, but this is the Safety & Training forum, not the Incidents forum. IMHO this is the correct place to post it. I too have seen step thru's, but both risers were twisted. Is it possible to only have one side twisted? I have seen one side of a canopy flipped thru, but this created a twist in the canopy itself and the riser. My 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #17 January 13, 2004 QuoteThat's interesting. I just don't want to let myself believe that the twist was in there when I layed the canopy down. Maybe I did somehow cause it by moving the bag... but then wouldn't the twist have to be on both sides? Brake Line Check There are several techniques for brake line continuity checks. I prefer the one that starts at the canopy and works towards the rig. Lay the canopy down with lines outstretched. You don't necessarily have to lay the canopy out neatly, but it does help. I always do because I flat pack [gasp!]. Pick up the brake lines, one in each hand. Walk toward the rig with the brake line sliding through each hand, clearing it as you go. When passing the slider, I use one and only one hand to transfer the hold of the line from one side of the slider grommet to the other. IOW, I do not EVER put both brake lines in one hand. When you get down to the rig end, the line should be free and clear. You also have to check the risers for twists. That's where the twists and line overs 'collect' so to speak. I prefer the canopy to rig method over the rig to canopy method because the twists and tangles are much easier to see and much easier to figure out how to undo them. Also: It is possible to have only one line stepped thru or half of them or 3 of them etc. You can also have your rig flipped thru & have it 'look ok' if you do the rig to canopy type check. It definitely won't look ok with the canopy to rig type check. Most of the time that will open anyway. All bets are off (aka new rules apply) if you change connector links. You have to check line continuity on every line when you replace links. ---- Quote I'm not trying to flame here, but this is the Safety & Training forum, not the Incidents forum. IMHO this is the correct place to post it. We agree completely. Your post is considered a by-product of the Law of Unintended Consequences. This thread started in Incidents. Perhaps you can ask Mr. Grobler to add a tag to the subject line 'Moved from xyz Forum', where xyz = original forum name. ---- .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rendezvous 0 #18 January 13, 2004 Quote But isn't a "step through on one side" an impossibility? No it is not. It's quite possible to get a step through on one side. I put in one once when I had cut the main to clean the cutaway cable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chapsta 0 #19 January 13, 2004 Oh man... thank you so much... I've been waiting to hear someone else has done this too. Did you chop b/c of it? ChapsCarpe diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #20 January 14, 2004 QuoteQuote But isn't a "step through on one side" an impossibility? No it is not. It's quite possible to get a step through on one side. I put in one once when I had cut the main to clean the cutaway cable. I'm assuming you unattached your risers to clean the cables, then when you re-attached them, you attached *one* of them with a twist in it. Correct me if I'm wrong. This is not a "step-through" as far as I'm concerned. True it does have the same effect (twisted riser(s)), but it does not come from *packing*. The original poster implied that he had a packing mal. If he had disconnected his risers prior to this mal, then that is possible. But I assumed from the post that he simply packed as normal, then had a mal under canopy where only one riser was twisted. Wouldn't it be impossible to twist only one riser by stepping through your lines on the ground? You'd either have to have 0 twists in both risers and a good canopy, 1 twist in both risers and a good canopy, or 1 twist in 1 riser and a twist in your canopy. Which I guess might be what he had since he said he had a line over or something to that effect. Which isn't a step through in my opinion. Step through implies you stepped through your lines on the ground, but when packing the canopy it still appeared normal (you didn't do a brake line check). A canopy with a twist in it would not appear normal when packing it.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
