AndyMan 7
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Quote>I think you are a TROLL. Your way of handling this pisses me off.
1. People who piss you off are not trolls.
2. People can pose pretty much any skydiving-related question in this forum. If the question bothers you, don't answer it.
3. No one is under any obligation to provide you with information. It would be nice if they did, but if they decline to do so it does not make them a troll.
So stop calling people trolls.
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iowa 0
I was thinking this was a troll too. Maybe, maybe not.
Seems fishy though. The description, from an instructor, of the incident is vague and really doesn't make sense.
Keith
''Always do sober what you said you would do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.'' - Ernest Hemingway
Seems fishy though. The description, from an instructor, of the incident is vague and really doesn't make sense.
Keith
''Always do sober what you said you would do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.'' - Ernest Hemingway
Worse, would an instructor risk the possibility of this happening to fellow skydivers?
The only explanation I can come up with is this is fake or the accident was jumper error.
dubbayab,
If I am wrong here I apologize but you leave us with little but vagueness and specualtion. That does not breed trust.
The only explanation I can come up with is this is fake or the accident was jumper error.
dubbayab,
If I am wrong here I apologize but you leave us with little but vagueness and specualtion. That does not breed trust.
Jib 0
He should've just asked the real question: "since the real question was about the skydivers' views on sueing." http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1035453#1035453
Instead, he suggested that a company had a problem with its risers and almost killed someone.
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the depth of his depravity sickens me.
-- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt
Instead, he suggested that a company had a problem with its risers and almost killed someone.
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the depth of his depravity sickens me.
-- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt
QuoteHe should've just asked the real question: "since the real question was about the skydivers' views on sueing." [urlhttp://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1035453#1035453[/url]
Instead, he suggested that a company had a problem with its risers and almost killed someone.
yes, post #62 in this thread makes one think this was more about stirring things up. No disrespect to his wife, but the initial postings made me think the whole thing was BS.
It wasn't a bad discussion, but the lack of specifics hurt it some.
Remster 30
Lets keep this off the troll-bashing direction guys. I think we all get icky when lawsuits are mentioned.
As Bill mentioned, he has no obligation to post anything. Having a skydiving wife, I too would feel protective about sharing some info.
Anyways,
from his other post that I linked to above, if I was the speculating kind, I would say that its simply a case of not having both risers seperating at the same time, giving a sense of having had full seperation (some trapdoor), but not actually achiving it.
Moral of the story (if thats what happened): actually do cutaways on the ground at least once, and I'd say everytime you get your reserve packed, and engrain in your muscle memory cuting away to full arm extension whenever you practice you procedures.
As Bill mentioned, he has no obligation to post anything. Having a skydiving wife, I too would feel protective about sharing some info.
Anyways,
from his other post that I linked to above, if I was the speculating kind, I would say that its simply a case of not having both risers seperating at the same time, giving a sense of having had full seperation (some trapdoor), but not actually achiving it.
Moral of the story (if thats what happened): actually do cutaways on the ground at least once, and I'd say everytime you get your reserve packed, and engrain in your muscle memory cuting away to full arm extension whenever you practice you procedures.
Remster
tombuch 0
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Since we dont know the details, how about playing connecting the dots?:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=964306#964306
What a great and simple piece of investigation! Right on Remster!
-tom buchanan
Tom Buchanan
Instructor Emeritus
Comm Pilot MSEL,G
Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy
Instructor Emeritus
Comm Pilot MSEL,G
Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy
Vertifly 0
Don't do it dude. In case you haven't noticed, this sport is the most popular one in the world. It is only a small community of us who have made the decision to make skydiving a part of our lives.
We understand financial difficulty, but I would simply ask you to look at the big picture. She threw herself out of a plane. She new that terminal velocity is 120mph (at minimum) in freefall. Is saving her life and/or keeping herself safe from injury her responsibility??? - 100%??
You work in the sport. Take a look at how much good you will do by sueing and then take a look at how much bad you will be doing. You withdrawl from the sport has the potential to affect thousands of people in a negative way.
I doubt that you will find much support for this here.
We understand financial difficulty, but I would simply ask you to look at the big picture. She threw herself out of a plane. She new that terminal velocity is 120mph (at minimum) in freefall. Is saving her life and/or keeping herself safe from injury her responsibility??? - 100%??
You work in the sport. Take a look at how much good you will do by sueing and then take a look at how much bad you will be doing. You withdrawl from the sport has the potential to affect thousands of people in a negative way.
I doubt that you will find much support for this here.
sabr190 0
No!
"The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa
"The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa
BETO74 0
Just to add another point of view,, there are countrys were health is provided for free.....nice uh,
http://web.mac.com/ac057a/iWeb/AC057A/H0M3.html
Vertifly 0
Yeah, but for this dude it's right here in the USA.
If they act like trolls I will call them trolls. Read Remster's link. He new what he had when he started this tread. He was trying to see what kind of reaction his post would stir up.
Michael Owens
You are right, people who piss me off are not Trolls. But Trolls piss me off.
Michael Owens
You are right, people who piss me off are not Trolls. But Trolls piss me off.
My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals
Michele 1
1. People who piss you off are not trolls.
Bill, it's pissed me off. I think the original poster is trolling, in the truest sense of the word. Have I responded? No, because there isn't enough information in the original (or subesequent posts) to know what happened, let alone give any real feedback to the situation.
2. People can pose pretty much any skydiving-related question in this forum. If the question bothers you, don't answer it.
See above. It's not a real question, because there's no real information. Should there be some real information, then fine, that would be an honest decent question. This? No...it's posting for effect, especially since he won't let anyone know any particulars about the event. There's no "ring of truth" in his stuff at all.
3. No one is under any obligation to provide you with information. It would be nice if they did, but if they decline to do so it does not make them a troll.
No, there's not. But this really hasn't become topical...it's much more like a Bonfire thread...simply because it's irrelevant and can significantly tarnish a gear manufacturer's reputation...needlessly. If there is an allegation, then bring it on
, but to not make the allegation clear, but waffle instead, then it runs the risk of trolling.
I'd suggest either locking this thread, as no information is forthcoming despite the serious allegations, and there's imminent damage ahead, or moving it to the Bonfire where superfluous threads should be...
Besides, isn't there a new rule that says if someone is posting just for effect, the post will be locked? This seems to fit those parameters (of course, I'm no greenie...but still....)
Some people (myself included) feel this is a troll. Therefore, can we not voice our opinions by stating that?
Ciels-
Michele
~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~
Bill, it's pissed me off. I think the original poster is trolling, in the truest sense of the word. Have I responded? No, because there isn't enough information in the original (or subesequent posts) to know what happened, let alone give any real feedback to the situation.
2. People can pose pretty much any skydiving-related question in this forum. If the question bothers you, don't answer it.
See above. It's not a real question, because there's no real information. Should there be some real information, then fine, that would be an honest decent question. This? No...it's posting for effect, especially since he won't let anyone know any particulars about the event. There's no "ring of truth" in his stuff at all.
3. No one is under any obligation to provide you with information. It would be nice if they did, but if they decline to do so it does not make them a troll.
No, there's not. But this really hasn't become topical...it's much more like a Bonfire thread...simply because it's irrelevant and can significantly tarnish a gear manufacturer's reputation...needlessly. If there is an allegation, then bring it on
, but to not make the allegation clear, but waffle instead, then it runs the risk of trolling.
I'd suggest either locking this thread, as no information is forthcoming despite the serious allegations, and there's imminent damage ahead, or moving it to the Bonfire where superfluous threads should be...
Besides, isn't there a new rule that says if someone is posting just for effect, the post will be locked? This seems to fit those parameters (of course, I'm no greenie...but still....)
Some people (myself included) feel this is a troll. Therefore, can we not voice our opinions by stating that?
Ciels-
Michele
~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~
I think "dubbayab" is acting like a troll because there is nothing in his profile... no real name, no home dropzone and no equipment.
Either post this in "The Bonfire" or quit wasting our time!!
I think it is about time this thread got locked.
edited to add: I just spend the last half hour reading all these posts for nothing! You never answered anyones questions or offered any relevant information about the incident. Thanks for nothing!
Either post this in "The Bonfire" or quit wasting our time!!
I think it is about time this thread got locked.
edited to add: I just spend the last half hour reading all these posts for nothing! You never answered anyones questions or offered any relevant information about the incident. Thanks for nothing!
I'm confused.
Are you suggesting there's a long line of rich skydivers, gleefully skipping from the courthouse, rich judgement in hand? I don't see many.
What happened to George happened because he didn't show up. Why he thought that was a good idea is somehting I'll never understand.
_Am
You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.
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