Mr Bill

[MrsB 0]

My husband and I are going to do our first "Mr. Bill" this weekend.

Is it recommended that you use a bigger canopy for this? I jump a Tri 175 and my husband thinks this is big enough. But, I'm not really excited about what this might do to my canopy.

Any suggestions as to exiting?

I'm pretty sure we'll be going out of a 182....

He's hanging on and I'm dumping.

Is this going to be a painful ordeal???

[breadhead 0]

Don't worry, you'll be going subterminal when you deploy. If you take a 2 sec delay, it's too late. It won't be painful, and it won't damage your canopy. You might want to pack for a slow opening, but that's just to make it easier for Mr. Bill to hang on.

Just be carefull not to entangle with your bridle/lines.

[katiebear21 0]

I knew I'd heard of it before but couldn't quite remember so I did a search: Mr. Bill

Katie
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[NeedToJump 0]

That size is fine. I've done them under a 135 and a 120 and I've seen one done under a Velocity 79!

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[Deuce 1]

They work best, and most often, with tandem rigs.

[johnny1488 1]

Kim and I did one under my xfire169 and we will soon be under my 141. Are you coming back up this year, you should see the video of our first attempt

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[NeedToJump 0]

Nice, I'd love to check out the video. I'll be up sometime in July to visit but I'm not sure of my plans yet. I'm thinking of being up there for the 4th though, gotta love fight night...

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[napaguy99 0]

I did it once with my Sabre 190. I was Sluggo(meaning I deployed first) and my buddy was Mr. Bill. I weigh about 190 w/gear and he was prolly about 160ish with gear and we had no problem. Just dont try to land it!

"Let the misinterpretation and attacks begin."

[packerboy 3]

My girlfriend did one IAD style with a Manta 280, worked great... I was planning to upload the video to skydivingmovies.com.

I think it would be easier on a canopy with large lines, perhaps a CRW canopy. That way you know what lines you are grabbing onto and what the affect on the canopy will be when you grab onto them. (I assume you will try to climb up on the shoulders and jump off). I will let you know if and when I post the video...

To answer your question though, yes the person in the saddle found that it was a pretty painful experience. I really suggest you do IAD style deployment if you can, it helps you to have a better grip on each other when the time comes.

There is a great picture on skydivegan.com --> picture gallery --> Summer 2003 I tried to upload it, but it wouldn't let me for some reason. Good Luck!

edited to say Manta 280 not 230.

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[akarunway 1]

They're a blast. Just don't take a hit in thr face w/a cam eyesight mount like I did on one. LOL. And be VERY AWARE of cutaway and reserve handles. Pack for a slow open and pull FAST and hang on for dear life. And take everyting I say w/ a grain of salt. I AM NOT AN INSTRUCTOR. Have fun. Just my 2 cents

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Kris 0]

If you jump at a DZ that does IAD, definitely have a instructor IAD you off the step. It'll make things a lot easier.

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[relyon 0]

Here's a good Mr Bill: Four jumpers in a C-182 at 6k: #1 is Mr. Bill, #2 is Sluggo, #3 is there for "moral support", and #4 videos.

Jumper #1 and #2 exit in Mr Bill fashion with #3 close behind. #1 deploys and checks his canopy, then #2 climbs up on his shoulders, turns around, and sits on #1's slider. Having no other option, #1 cuts away and deploys his reserve while #2 flies #1's main around for a bit. #3, who's been lurking close by, comes in and top-docks #2 (on #1's canopy). #2 can't land that way, so he hops off the slider, goes into freefall, deploys, then catches #1's freebag. #3 brings #1's main back.

It's been done - I've seen the video. For the life of me I can't remember their faces or names, but I'm sure they were trained professionals.

Bob

[Unstable 9]

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If you jump at a DZ that does IAD, definitely have a instructor IAD you off the step. It'll make things a lot easier.

I've had great luck doing them with Static Lines, but this adds a HUGE amount of risk into the equation. I was stupid for doing it.....

=========Shaun ==========

[TomAiello 26]

Why not hook up one of the BASE canopies? Do you not have a skydive rig big enough somewhere on the DZ?

-- Tom Aiello

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[Nutz 0]

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Here's a good Mr Bill: Four jumpers in a C-182 at 6k: #1 is Mr. Bill, #2 is Sluggo, #3 is there for "moral support", and #4 videos.

Jumper #1 and #2 exit in Mr Bill fashion with #3 close behind. #1 deploys and checks his canopy, then #2 climbs up on his shoulders, turns around, and sits on #1's slider. Having no other option, #1 cuts away and deploys his reserve while #2 flies #1's main around for a bit. #3, who's been lurking close by, comes in and top-docks #2 (on #1's canopy). #2 can't land that way, so he hops off the slider, goes into freefall, deploys, then catches #1's freebag. #3 brings #1's main back.

It's been done - I've seen the video. For the life of me I can't remember their faces or names, but I'm sure they were trained professionals.

Bob

I'm sure they said, "Berieve it or not, we haf no professional training." That one took some kahunas.

"Don't! Get! Eliminated!"

[chuckbrown 0]

Definitely recommend the IAD method, but find someone who won't mess up. An IAD instructor is best, but I've IAD'd several Mr. Bills and everybody lived and I'm not an instructor. We then did CRW with the Mr. Bill. Woohoo!

[pilotdave 0]

Anyone planning to attempt a Mr. Bill should probably check out THIS VIDEO first. It's a little hard to tell what happened, but it looks to me like Mr Bill's foot gets caught by a suspension line during deployment. Very nasty.

Dave

[MrsB 0]

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Why not hook up one of the BASE canopies? Do you not have a skydive rig big enough somewhere on the DZ?

That's an excellent idea. Gotta run that one past the ball and chain!

[chuckbrown 0]

I think the container must have opened early on that one. That's the only way I can see a foot getting caught in the suspension line. Ideally, with an IAD, the PC is release when the bridle is at full extension but before the pin is pulled. Other than that that's how Mr. Bills should go.

[Praetorian 1]

well that was a "oh shit moment" gotta give them both respect, good communication, intelect over instinct (I'd probably have cut instantly.. but I'm such a novice I've got no bussness doing a Mr bill anyway)

Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad
judgment.

[TribalTalon 0]

i've tried a mr. bill, all i can say, is PAY ATTENTION to the packjob!! hahahaha. we had a hard opening and i got ripped right off. i dont really see how anybody could have held on through that, it was just a slammer. heh. i'm definitely gonna go try it again, but we're gonna pack the parachute ourselves so that its pretty much guaranteed to o..p..e...n.... SLOW! hehehe. have fun!

[GreenLight 7]

Don't know who is in that movie because I'm stuck on very slow dial up and don't bother downloading most movies. However I recognize the situation and I know two people who did what you described. Dave Jergins and Kevin Flaghretti got caught up doing one for Dave's 13th year in skydiving. Dave was Mr Bill. Kevin had his legs wrapped around him but they were so high that his legs actually crossed over the bottom part of the container. Upon deployment his foot was caught in one of the lines. They spun for what seemed like an eternity while trying to get it fixed. Kevin stuck with his foot in the lines was hanging and spinning with all his weight so the lines were cutting into his ankle. Dave was trying to reach out and cut the line with his hook knife but to no avail. Finally, Kevin just slipped away. He didn't pull for a while. Dave was left there under his main wondering if Kevin was awake and consious. Dave was thinking about cutting away and going after his friend but just then he saw the deployment.

Both landed just fine. Kevin had deep cuts from the lines on his ankle. Dave was beside himself...

The moral is, keep your arms and legs clear of the deploying canopy. Your arms should be routed under the other persons harness. Legs should be well under the lowest part of the container. Have fun...

Green Light
"Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there."
"Your statement answered your question."

[britboynz 0]

umm, forgive me for being a newbie, but why is it called a Mr Bill? Did Bill Booth do the first one or something?

Russ

[chuckbrown 0]

check out the video linked in the post above.

[napaguy99 0]

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gotta give them both respect, good communication

I have to respectfully disagree here. From what I can tell, it sounds like he is saying "DON'T chop it" at first, and then later changes his mind and says "CHOP IT". The one thing you need to remember in a situation like this is to only communicate POSITIVELY and avoid NEGATIVE communication. An example of negative communication is saying something like "DONT chop it", or "DONT pull the silver handle" or anything with a "DONT" in there. The other person may not hear the "DONT" part and go ahead and do what you just told them not to. Instead of "DONT chop it", try "Stay with it" or "Keep that canopy". That way, the other person is more likely to hear what you intended for them to hear.

I'm pretty sure this is something they taught me in AFF 1.

"Let the misinterpretation and attacks begin."