dustin19d 0 #1 April 11, 2004 After reading posts about how cuttaways equal experience I was just wondering if any one has or had thought about packing an intentional Mal. Peraonaly I have thought about it, then smacked my self up side the head for thinking that. I would never do It! How about the rest of you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #2 April 11, 2004 I'd do a real intentional... but not as in packing a mal.. as in cutting away a good main.. where you wear the second reserve.... Packing a mal on purpose sounds like bad karma to me... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dustin19d 0 #3 April 11, 2004 Quote Packing a mal on purpose sounds like bad karma to me... Exactly the same thought I had. Im not talking about wearing a 2nd reserve. Im wondering if anyone has packed and intentional malfunction in there main.(line over, severe line twists, etc.) Just so they can have a cutaway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #4 April 11, 2004 Ummm.....No.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #5 April 11, 2004 Packing a malfunction is not as easy as one might think. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #6 April 11, 2004 QuoteAfter reading posts about how cuttaways equal experience I was just wondering if any one has or had thought about packing an intentional Mal. Peraonaly I have thought about it, then smacked my self up side the head for thinking that. I would never do It! How about the rest of you? Never considered it. There are some rigs with three parachutes that are used for intentional cutaways. That's the only way I would pack a malfunction by intent. When I earned my first tandem rating the manufacturer required that every candidate have had at least one cutaway. Most of those who applied for the rating had at least one serious malfunction in the general course of their skydiving, but those that hadn't were required to borrow a cutaway rig and actually chop a main parachute for real. My suggestion for you...DON'T pack an intentional malfunction. If you are concerned about your ability to handle a malfunction, or you want extra training, spend some more time in a malfunction harness. There are also a few drop zones that have a simulator called the SportParaSim that offers virtual reality goggles coupled with a computer and cutaway harness. It's actually described and pictured in my book, JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy. SportParaSim is distributed by SSK Industries, the same people who distribute the Cypres. Your other option is to borrow a three parachute rig, but that is a very complicated system with many extra potential problems, and I'd suggest that you wait on it until you have a bunch more real skydives. Tom Buchanan Instructor (AFF, SL, IAD, Tandem) S&TA Author JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and EasyTom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #7 April 11, 2004 In a way yes, jump 13 I went to another DZ to pick up a jumpsuit. I'd been there the previous week and made a skydive. I buy my jumpsuit and the DZO says too me if you want to make a jump have someone show you how to pack that chute you jumped last week its laying on the floor. So I flat pack this main with some help and get it ready to put it in the container and the DZO grabs my helper to go get the fuel truck. Meanwhile another kind sole steps up and offers to put the main in the container and does so, this is the part I remember best because at this DZ I'm at they like ROL deployment for some reason. So I watch this guy put the pin in the closeing loop and than he folds the PC and stuffs it in the leg pouch, the excess bridal he than shoves up under the flap of the container. Good to Go. I get on a load with three other guys and we plan a four way skydive, well the four way went to shit right from the start, but I did manage to hook up with one of the guys. And since I had no idea how to track the plan was for me to pull at my normal altitude 4000 maybe 4500. I pitch the hackey and nothing happens, I try to look and I can't see my PC, I'm going slightly head down and I look at my altimeter and I'm at three grand, the thought runs thru my brain I'm gonna die. I pull silver and saddle out at 2000. I land ok off DZ and a kind sole helps me find the free bag and the handle. Did I not cock the PC or was the bridle stuck under the flap? I'll never know, so in a roundabout way I have packed a mal and it was a total. I'll just add its very exciting when your parachute doesn't function as you expect it to. blue skies jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbblood 0 #8 April 11, 2004 Jump 13, on a 4 way, with no idea how to track?? Wow!! Anyway, back to the topic. I wouldn't intentionally pack a mal, for the above reasons.....plus.....I don't want to damage my main canopy doing it, i.e., line burn, blown cell, whatever I may cause. Blues, NathanBlues, Nathan If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #9 April 11, 2004 You do realize that PD has a policy to "jump with one more parachute than you think you will need." They have gone up with a four parachute system....you should only plan on packing a mal if you have the right equipment to save your life._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #10 April 11, 2004 Not unless it was a cutaway rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lopullterri 0 #11 April 11, 2004 Have done it a couple of times on a cutaway rig. The most amazing one was a dead center line over. Then just rolled it up and cramed it in the bag with really sloppy, uneven line stows. It cleared itself on deployment, and flew fine.~"I am not afraid. I was born to do this"~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 April 11, 2004 Quote Packing a malfunction is not as easy as one might think. I dunno. I can think of several pretty easy ones right off the top of my head. BTW, I think packing an intentional mal on your main with -only- one reserve canopy "just for the experience" is probably one of the stupider ideas I've heard.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #13 April 11, 2004 Here is what Bill Booth had to say on trying to pack a malfunction. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=871197;#871197 SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #14 April 11, 2004 what a strange question... well, have you ever thought about driving your car off a bridge to see what it felt like and to see if your seat belt would work? same logic. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dove 0 #15 April 11, 2004 If you really have a hankering to cut away do it the RIGHT way: Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:09 pm Post subject: CHOP FROM THE CHOPPER by skydive university BRAVE ENOUGH? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For all you CRAZY people on the dz this is the event for you JUNE 18th thru 21st Relative Workshop will be coming to Crosskeys as part of the 1st SDU camp and bringing 3 intentional cutaway rigs with them which mean you can experience a malfunction . You will be taken to 4000ft in the CHOPPER and will cutaway from your malfunctioning main canopy at 2000ft. this is made possible by relative workshops new SKYHOOK SYSTEM. I will have a sign up sheet for everyone thats interested or you will be able to pre buy your tickets soon from manifest. COST is $65 per jump and this includes a reserve repack after your CHOP.courtesy of Kruses loft. For more information on the skyhook visit www.relativeworkshop.com All Participants will be fully briefed by a RWS staff member before you jump. Check it out at www.skydivecrosskeys.com Fall in dove. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TribalTalon 0 #16 April 11, 2004 gosh. i could NEVER think of such a thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Praetorian 1 #17 April 11, 2004 I like the skyhook system (and would love this event or something like it to travle to a dropzone near me (SDC) I'm curious about the altitude though, 2K is below my harddeck, why so low? Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakflyer9999 1 #18 April 12, 2004 Quotewhat a strange question... well, have you ever thought about driving your car off a bridge to see what it felt like and to see if your seat belt would work? same logic. Well, not exactly. But a buddy and I talked seriously about finding an old junk car with airbags and try to fire them to find out what it was like. Never did do it though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #19 April 12, 2004 Oh you mean a Darwin jumpWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #20 April 12, 2004 I'd love to, and given the chance I'd do it in a heart beat. Unfortunately I don't have a 3-canopy rig handy, so its something I won't be able to do for a while. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bch7773 0 #21 April 12, 2004 Quote I'm curious about the altitude though, 2K is below my harddeck, why so low? I think its for jumpers with a certain amount of jumps. at the very least, i imagine they would want you to be licensed before doing an intentional cutaway, and at my DZ i think you have to have over 100 jumps to do it. not sure how many jumps are required at this particular event. anyways the point is that 2000 feet is fine for experienced jumpers. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flynhigh 0 #22 April 13, 2004 Why??? Go practice your procedures in your suspension harness......no need for the exta heartache......if and when it does happen - you'll be prepared and it'll be all good! Dare to dream and then make it happen! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Praetorian 1 #17 April 11, 2004 I like the skyhook system (and would love this event or something like it to travle to a dropzone near me (SDC) I'm curious about the altitude though, 2K is below my harddeck, why so low? Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakflyer9999 1 #18 April 12, 2004 Quotewhat a strange question... well, have you ever thought about driving your car off a bridge to see what it felt like and to see if your seat belt would work? same logic. Well, not exactly. But a buddy and I talked seriously about finding an old junk car with airbags and try to fire them to find out what it was like. Never did do it though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #19 April 12, 2004 Oh you mean a Darwin jumpWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #20 April 12, 2004 I'd love to, and given the chance I'd do it in a heart beat. Unfortunately I don't have a 3-canopy rig handy, so its something I won't be able to do for a while. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #21 April 12, 2004 Quote I'm curious about the altitude though, 2K is below my harddeck, why so low? I think its for jumpers with a certain amount of jumps. at the very least, i imagine they would want you to be licensed before doing an intentional cutaway, and at my DZ i think you have to have over 100 jumps to do it. not sure how many jumps are required at this particular event. anyways the point is that 2000 feet is fine for experienced jumpers. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flynhigh 0 #22 April 13, 2004 Why??? Go practice your procedures in your suspension harness......no need for the exta heartache......if and when it does happen - you'll be prepared and it'll be all good! Dare to dream and then make it happen! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
