DivaSkyChick 0 #26 April 7, 2003 Is anyone here going to admit to jumping a marginally to wildly out of date rig, knowingly? Errr rather, tell us about your "friend" who did! --- www.facebook.com/mandyhamptonfitch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #27 April 7, 2003 privately perhaps.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DivaSkyChick 0 #28 April 7, 2003 --- www.facebook.com/mandyhamptonfitch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #29 April 7, 2003 I'm not 100% sure but in Canada the pilot would only be in shit if you are doing a Demo with an out of date reserve. MOT does not get involved in skydiving directly but because you need MOT approval for a Demo, you require a current Demo rating and an in date reserve. THIS IS CANADA...home of the free!!! Born... to be ....wild.......mike ----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dayle 0 #30 April 7, 2003 Yeah, that's what I thought. I'm not sure if the dropzone would get in trouble or not though. I do really try to avoid it and it's never been seriously out of date. It's just that I think it's a waste of time and effort when I'm sure the reserve will be fine. I mean, I'm the one jumping it. Just to clarify, what I mean is that say my reserve went out of date on Oct 31st and I knew my last jumping day of the year until May was November 1st, I'd jump it, no problem. Once a year is good for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #31 April 8, 2003 Suppose the batteries in your Cypres are exposed to heat or moisture or some other anomalie. Are you sure they aren't going to leak on your reserve? Are you willing to bet your life they won't? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betzilla 56 #32 April 8, 2003 Quote Is anyone here going to admit to jumping a marginally to wildly out of date rig, knowingly? Errr rather, tell us about your "friend" who did! I put 2 jumps on a way out-of-date rig, to see if I wanted to buy it. And I'd do it againBut my fiance's a rigger, so it's a moot point for me now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #33 April 8, 2003 Quote Just to clarify, what I mean is that say my reserve went out of date on Oct 31st and I knew my last jumping day of the year until May was November 1st, I'd jump it, no problem. Once a year is good for me. 365 day repack cycle...works for me! ...----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #34 April 8, 2003 Quote Suppose the batteries in your Cypres are exposed to heat or moisture or some other anomalie. Are you sure they aren't going to leak on your reserve? Are you willing to bet your life they won't? Take care of your rig!!! Do not under any circumstances expose your rig to extreme heat/moisture....ever. Never store batteries next to your reserve ...bad mojo!!! ...mike----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #35 April 8, 2003 QuoteNever store batteries next to your reserve The Cypres and Astra batteries and electronics are stored inside the reserve container, next to the reserve. There has been at least one instance of overdue batteries leaking onto a reserve. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #36 April 8, 2003 Quote Quote Never store batteries next to your reserve The Cypres and Astra batteries and electronics are stored inside the reserve container, next to the reserve. There has been at least one instance of overdue batteries leaking onto a reserve. Hook Not in my rig dude!!!! ....mike----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jethers203 0 #37 April 8, 2003 I heard a rumor that the repack cycle was going to be increased. Does anyone know when, or if it is even true? Do you all feel like a 120 day repack cycle is how it should be? I don't mind a bit to keep my reserve current, especially with DEMOs and protecting the pilots. John D-24352 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #38 April 9, 2003 Jethers203 Lots of people talked about it in the US but it's FAA regulated. Here in Canada we just got enough skydivers together..." raise your right hand"... and bingo...180 day repack cycle. ...mike Quote I heard a rumor that the repack cycle was going to be increased. Does anyone know when, or if it is even true? Do you all feel like a 120 day repack cycle is how it should be? I don't mind a bit to keep my reserve current, especially with DEMOs and protecting the pilots. John D-24352 ----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #39 April 9, 2003 QuoteDo not under any circumstances expose your rig to extreme heat/moisture....ever. Never store batteries next to your reserve How is it you plan on keeping your cypres batteries away from your reserve? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #40 April 9, 2003 Quote How is it you plan on keeping your cypres batteries away from your reserve? Buy keeping cypres away from reserve! ....mike----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhy 0 #41 March 18, 2004 I'll pack your reserve whenever you want bro. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrancoR 0 #42 March 18, 2004 I dont overdue my repack, but there is no need to, it is 12 Months in germany, if the manufacturer of your reserve and container permits it. If you want to see what your manufacturer permits in germany have a look at this list:http://www.prueferverband.de/Geraetedaten/Repack%20gesamt-02-04-04.pdfIf it does not cost anything you are the product. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #43 March 18, 2004 So, my reserve is due, so is my cypres. I don't the money to send my cypres away. If I get the repack Riggerrob will have to take the cypres out. Is it more dangerous to jump an out of date pack job or without a cypres? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #44 March 19, 2004 Interesting post, 120 days looking for a 180 day. It brings a question to mind.... Who made this decision? Were test done by the manufacturer, field tested or maybe mathamatics envolving the nylon being stowed too long. It is something that I accepted without asking why. Don't get me wrong I won't dispute it but it would be nice to know of it's origin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #45 March 19, 2004 QuoteI heard a rumor that the repack cycle was going to be increased. Does anyone know when, or if it is even true? Do you all feel like a 120 day repack cycle is how it should be? I don't mind a bit to keep my reserve current, especially with DEMOs and protecting the pilots. John D-24352 Hi John I think USPA is working on it from their end. I'm sure they will let everyone know as soon as they have a success story. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #46 March 19, 2004 I read somewhere that Mike Truffer has applied for a waiver from the FAA to allow employees of his company, for research purposes, to pack their reserves only once a year. They must be employees, and data is to be kept on their experience with actual reserve use, etc. Anyone heard anything recently about this, or how it's going ? Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sabr190 0 #47 March 19, 2004 Over 1200 jumps and all on an in date rig I will also add, I think a lot of jumpers only think of the reserve repack as just that, but a good rigger inspects your rig for other needed repairs. Hence the term "inspection and repack". Why take the chance of killing yourself and f**king up some pilots career. Just my humble opinion "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #48 March 19, 2004 There are two ongoing efforts to facilitate extension of the repack cycle, from two different directions. PIA is spearheading one and has asked for USPA'S financial partnership. This effort has been onging for a couple of years and would take longer. The other is in cooperation between PIA, USPA, and the FAA. We hope that one of these efforts may be successful in the near future, like this year or next. But, SHHHHHHHHHH. If you talk about it you'll JINX it. I'm not willing to go into any other details here for now. Terry Urban PIA Rigging Committee Chairman D-8631 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #49 March 19, 2004 In the US jumping out of date is illegal. Jumping without a cypres isn't. You'll have to decide whether you chose to jump without a cypres. Or not jump until you can keep it maintained. But, many dropzones will check and you'll have problems jumping the out of date rig. Unless you forge somebody's name. Please don't. I have no great opinion about somebody jumping an out of date rig, except the pilot is liable and the jumper is screwing with someone else. But, when people start forging my name that's the last time I touch their rig. I made an exception to that rule for a jumper that had forged my name a couple of times and another rigger's name 2 or three time. He claimed he got religion, would never do it again, and he really wanted me to look at his rig. I did it just to see what his two and half year old reserve pack job looked like. It was really my work. This guy also didn't take care of his rig. I opened it and it would have probably been fine. Oh, 4 months later he forged my name again. Another jumper brought me his rig only a week or two out of date. It took over 35 lbs of force to pull the free bag off the canopy once the locking stows were out. He had kept his rig in the trunk of his car all summer to go to the DZ after work. The coated bag had stuck to the canopy. Probably would have been ok during a high speed deployment. After a cutaway? it might have taken awhile. Riggers all probably the least complient with keeping their rigs in date, at least according to George Galloway. Of course we're always busy doing everyone elses rigs.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rdesilets 0 #50 March 19, 2004 Interesting. So, I have a PD Reserve and a Sun Path container and according to this chart both of these manufacturers permit an annual repack cycle for my gear (in Germany), correct? Does the time a reserve sits folded in the freebag and the pilot chute compressed have any bearing on how it will 'respond' (e.g. open) when deployed? In other words, in theory if you did have a 'reason' to open the container (e.g. cypres battery replacement) could you go a few years without actually repacking it and it would function the same way it would the day after you packed it. My guess would be yes, but I would love others prespectives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
