frankiebrina 0 #1 February 15, 2004 There are many posts flaming all that want to down size fast. But the reality is..... many do. Just click on the profiles or look up a thred about canopy transitions and you will see. Then lets see what is the actual average jumps many of us have when we go to a wing load such as 1.4 or above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #2 February 15, 2004 Darn I'm at 1.39, so I voted not there yet, however I have been jumping at 1.3 or better from jump no. 24 and have caught a raft of shit on this site for it. For some reason people seem to equate jump no.s with good judgement or skill, which as you may know is not always the case when people downsize. blue skies jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #3 February 15, 2004 Wingloading alone doesn't tell the whole story... the size of a canopy matters quite a bit too. A small canopy will react faster than a large canopy, so you can't quite compare "apples to apples" based on wingloadings alone. Blue ones, KollaBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #4 February 15, 2004 QuoteWingloading alone doesn't tell the whole story... the size of a canopy matters quite a bit too. A small canopy will react faster than a large canopy, so you can't quite compare "apples to apples" based on wingloadings alone. Blue ones, Kolla So what you're saying is that a little person with a high wing-loading is more dangerous than a large person with a high wl? Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankiebrina 0 #5 February 15, 2004 that's true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #6 February 15, 2004 Hmm, would someone please explain to me because I'm a little confused as to why... Maybe that's why I hear of all these little chicks flying .65 and saying "oh I'm not going to downsize any time soon" Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankiebrina 0 #7 February 15, 2004 QuoteWingloading alone doesn't tell the whole story... the size of a canopy matters quite a bit too. A small canopy will react faster than a large canopy, so you can't quite compare "apples to apples" based on wingloadings alone. Blue ones, Kolla Your right. I was thinking that after I posted this poll. I should have elaborated it better to get a better result. I think of something. But thanks!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankiebrina 0 #8 February 15, 2004 Yeah go over profiles at who's online for example and you will see many girls with small canopies but low wing loadings also. But I would say someone flying a 99sq ft at .85 is much more dangerous then someone at 1.4 flying a 190 sq ft. So that said my poll will not give us the answer I seek. I will try tomorrow to elaborate something that will work. If anyone has any ideas feel free. I'm about to leave work right know and have no time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites linestretch 0 #9 February 15, 2004 about 1,000 jumps for me. As for b1jercat? he he he. That guy is a BIG friggin dude, and the canopies weren't big enough to keep him within that limit.my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NeedToJump 0 #10 February 15, 2004 At about 600 jumps I went to a Stiletto 120 putting my W/L at about 1.45 and I have absolutely no desire at all to downsize because I am no where near flying this canopy to its limit.Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #11 February 15, 2004 I have close to 1000 jumps and have never jumped anything loaded over 1.25:1. My current canopy is loaded just under 1.0:1. There's a LOT more I need to learn about canopy control before I'd be comfortable going that small/fast - if I ever do. Right now I'm perfectly happy learning things under a canopy that won't bite me when I fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kolla 0 #12 February 15, 2004 Hey Benny! I am not saying that the little person will be more dangerous than the big person - that all depends on the person in question You could say that the little person has more opportunities to get himself in trouble than the larger person, and be somewhat correct about that. However, the smaller the canopy, the faster it will react. A Sabre2 107 loaded at 1.4 is MUCH more of a rocket than a Sabre2 190 loaded at 1.4. I'm not sure how good of an analogy this is - but it might help to paint a picture in your mind. imagine a minivan going at 70 mph and a little ferrari going at 70 mph... - they are going the same speed, but the ferrari is smaller and has much crispier handling - even when going the same speed. Hope that helped explain, if not, let me know! Blue ones, KollaBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vt1977 0 #13 February 15, 2004 Likewise, I have just over 900 jumps and haven't jumped anything close to a 1.4 wingloading yet. I just don't feel the need! Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #14 February 15, 2004 . But I would say someone flying a 99sq ft at .85 is much more dangerous then someone at 1.4 flying a 190 sq ft. ////// QuoteI would say your statement is full of it. A smaller jumper and canopy combination does have less inertia, including, of course, rotational inertia, so for a given wing loading, turns will be faster. But from the deaths I've seen, the three biggest causes are wingloading, low number of jumps, and extreme insouciance. Remember, the bigger you are, the harder you hit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimmytavino 16 #15 February 15, 2004 QuoteI have close to 1000 jumps and have never jumped anything loaded over 1.25:1. My current canopy is loaded just under 1.0:1. __________________________________________________ Pretty much the same for me.....lisa..I am nowhere NEAR. 1.4 and will never be,,,, even under my reserve(s)... I started jumping Para Plane Clouds within about 2 years of their availability They had "rings and ropes" and we launched them from our backs with 2 spring loaded MA-1 pilot chutes.... I saw alot then, ,some jumpers got hurt,,, some had rough landings,,, some had rough malfunctions and so I developed a healthy respect for squares...I've been jumping a 200+ ,,, square foot canopy now, for around 20 years..Had a heavy weight cloud then a cloud lite for a couple hundred jumps ..a 252 para foil for a season or two, and then an RW challenger 240 on which I made 1,150 malfunction free jumps ... My exit weight has always been between 185 and 210 lbs. during this time.. The last 2 or 3 years now,,,I jump a spectre210..... and it is plenty fast enough for me....for getting back from long spots,,, it flies well in half brakes and 3/4 brakes ( as did ALL my past mains,,, ) and since I am sort of old school,,, I like the feeling of setting up on the peas, and finishing a fun skydive with a nice stand up on the disc...... Sure Sure ..it's easy to kick the disc as you scoot by during a swoop finale,,, But I enjoy the satisfaction of stopping on the disc... and SO.... 1.0 : 1.... works real well for me.. and downsizing isn't needed...... However,, for Others..... go for it!!!! we should each use our own judgement,,, based on our experiences and on what we have witnessed,,, and make our own personal decisions as we move through our skydiving careers .. .... " Upsize, Downsize, Let's be happy with.... .............the Right Size" Ten Cuidado Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjunior 0 #16 February 15, 2004 I did not nessarily downsize my canapy I up sized my my bodyweight about 25 pounds. PLEASE REMEMB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #17 February 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteWingloading alone doesn't tell the whole story... the size of a canopy matters quite a bit too. A small canopy will react faster than a large canopy, so you can't quite compare "apples to apples" based on wingloadings alone. Blue ones, Kolla Your right. I was thinking that after I posted this poll. I should have elaborated it better to get a better result. I think of something. But thanks!! I think it will be valuable anyway, given that the regulations in some countries and regulatory proposals in others relate primarily or exclusively to wing loading. If you want to know whether a regulation works or is likely to work, you have to evaluate it as it is.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cocheese 0 #18 February 15, 2004 When your accuracy and stand up rate is so hi that you purposely put it in tight areas for fun.... then get yelled at for doing it right : then you're ready to downsizewith permission from at least 3 people who work at the dz and only in a safe area with little traffic. Damn I should run for office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ripcords 0 #19 February 15, 2004 12000 jumps 1.0 and holding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cocheese 0 #20 February 16, 2004 Quote12000 jumps 1.0 and holding Wow. Something to consider. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #21 February 16, 2004 QuoteI have close to 1000 jumps and have never jumped anything loaded over 1.25:1. My current canopy is loaded just under 1.0:1. There's a LOT more I need to learn about canopy control. You just need the right Jedi instructor my young padawan learner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #22 February 16, 2004 I was jumping a Hornet 190 loaded at just a hair under 1.4:1 at just a bit over 100 jumps. I thought I was special, I wasn't, looking back at it I really wish I wouldn't have made that choice. Honestly, I feel that I was incredibly lucky to have not hurt myself. That's one of the reasons why I'm a wingloading BSR advocate.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #23 February 16, 2004 A little after 1000 dives for me to exceed 1.4 I'm a slow learner. I spent over 2000 dives after that loaded to 1.65, and then another 1000 or so loaded to 1.8. In about 600 dives time I'll probably feel ready to go to a crossbrace, loaded to about 1.9. I walk just great. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #24 February 16, 2004 QuoteI walk just great. I can't help but think of our friend Dewy down in "Skydive the Rockies" right now. Here was a fellow who messed himself up (he'll never walk again) after something like his 4500th skydive on a swoop gone bad. Yes the low-timers (and I likely still fall into that category myself) are at higher risks flying highly loaded canopies than the ultra experienced. But the margin for error is slim and the ultra experienced do occasionally mess themselves up as well. So the decision to swoop must come from within and the person in question is in trouble if the reason why they swoop is to impress others. Swoop for your own reasons people, but don't swoop to impress others. Unless your name is Clint Clawson (or one of the other top PST competitors), there's always going to be somebody better than you out there. Back on to the topic at hand, on jump #402 I made the decision to load my wing higher than 1.4:1 (it was a few hairs under 1.6:1 as my current profile illustrates). But in that time, I have lost about 15 lbs and next week once I get my new container ready to jump, I will weigh myself again and update my current wing loading on my profile. Also, while I have successfully stood up all 183 of my landings on my current Crossfire2 canopy. I have not mastered this wing yet. And I told myself that I would only downsize again once I have mastered this wing. To me, mastering the wing is different than standing up every landing (even when I am often pushing the limits at a high density altitude DZ). Be smart, be safe, seek training and safe swoops people. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #25 February 16, 2004 i'm around 1.3-1.34 depending on my weight... Still varies from time to time... been there at around 200 jumps. will get to 1.4 (or a bit more) when I get my new canopy (inch allah next year) which should bring me at approx 500-600 jumpsscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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linestretch 0 #9 February 15, 2004 about 1,000 jumps for me. As for b1jercat? he he he. That guy is a BIG friggin dude, and the canopies weren't big enough to keep him within that limit.my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #10 February 15, 2004 At about 600 jumps I went to a Stiletto 120 putting my W/L at about 1.45 and I have absolutely no desire at all to downsize because I am no where near flying this canopy to its limit.Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #11 February 15, 2004 I have close to 1000 jumps and have never jumped anything loaded over 1.25:1. My current canopy is loaded just under 1.0:1. There's a LOT more I need to learn about canopy control before I'd be comfortable going that small/fast - if I ever do. Right now I'm perfectly happy learning things under a canopy that won't bite me when I fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kolla 0 #12 February 15, 2004 Hey Benny! I am not saying that the little person will be more dangerous than the big person - that all depends on the person in question You could say that the little person has more opportunities to get himself in trouble than the larger person, and be somewhat correct about that. However, the smaller the canopy, the faster it will react. A Sabre2 107 loaded at 1.4 is MUCH more of a rocket than a Sabre2 190 loaded at 1.4. I'm not sure how good of an analogy this is - but it might help to paint a picture in your mind. imagine a minivan going at 70 mph and a little ferrari going at 70 mph... - they are going the same speed, but the ferrari is smaller and has much crispier handling - even when going the same speed. Hope that helped explain, if not, let me know! Blue ones, KollaBlue Skies Magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #13 February 15, 2004 Likewise, I have just over 900 jumps and haven't jumped anything close to a 1.4 wingloading yet. I just don't feel the need! Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #14 February 15, 2004 . But I would say someone flying a 99sq ft at .85 is much more dangerous then someone at 1.4 flying a 190 sq ft. ////// QuoteI would say your statement is full of it. A smaller jumper and canopy combination does have less inertia, including, of course, rotational inertia, so for a given wing loading, turns will be faster. But from the deaths I've seen, the three biggest causes are wingloading, low number of jumps, and extreme insouciance. Remember, the bigger you are, the harder you hit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimmytavino 16 #15 February 15, 2004 QuoteI have close to 1000 jumps and have never jumped anything loaded over 1.25:1. My current canopy is loaded just under 1.0:1. __________________________________________________ Pretty much the same for me.....lisa..I am nowhere NEAR. 1.4 and will never be,,,, even under my reserve(s)... I started jumping Para Plane Clouds within about 2 years of their availability They had "rings and ropes" and we launched them from our backs with 2 spring loaded MA-1 pilot chutes.... I saw alot then, ,some jumpers got hurt,,, some had rough landings,,, some had rough malfunctions and so I developed a healthy respect for squares...I've been jumping a 200+ ,,, square foot canopy now, for around 20 years..Had a heavy weight cloud then a cloud lite for a couple hundred jumps ..a 252 para foil for a season or two, and then an RW challenger 240 on which I made 1,150 malfunction free jumps ... My exit weight has always been between 185 and 210 lbs. during this time.. The last 2 or 3 years now,,,I jump a spectre210..... and it is plenty fast enough for me....for getting back from long spots,,, it flies well in half brakes and 3/4 brakes ( as did ALL my past mains,,, ) and since I am sort of old school,,, I like the feeling of setting up on the peas, and finishing a fun skydive with a nice stand up on the disc...... Sure Sure ..it's easy to kick the disc as you scoot by during a swoop finale,,, But I enjoy the satisfaction of stopping on the disc... and SO.... 1.0 : 1.... works real well for me.. and downsizing isn't needed...... However,, for Others..... go for it!!!! we should each use our own judgement,,, based on our experiences and on what we have witnessed,,, and make our own personal decisions as we move through our skydiving careers .. .... " Upsize, Downsize, Let's be happy with.... .............the Right Size" Ten Cuidado Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjunior 0 #16 February 15, 2004 I did not nessarily downsize my canapy I up sized my my bodyweight about 25 pounds. PLEASE REMEMB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #17 February 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteWingloading alone doesn't tell the whole story... the size of a canopy matters quite a bit too. A small canopy will react faster than a large canopy, so you can't quite compare "apples to apples" based on wingloadings alone. Blue ones, Kolla Your right. I was thinking that after I posted this poll. I should have elaborated it better to get a better result. I think of something. But thanks!! I think it will be valuable anyway, given that the regulations in some countries and regulatory proposals in others relate primarily or exclusively to wing loading. If you want to know whether a regulation works or is likely to work, you have to evaluate it as it is.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cocheese 0 #18 February 15, 2004 When your accuracy and stand up rate is so hi that you purposely put it in tight areas for fun.... then get yelled at for doing it right : then you're ready to downsizewith permission from at least 3 people who work at the dz and only in a safe area with little traffic. Damn I should run for office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ripcords 0 #19 February 15, 2004 12000 jumps 1.0 and holding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cocheese 0 #20 February 16, 2004 Quote12000 jumps 1.0 and holding Wow. Something to consider. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #21 February 16, 2004 QuoteI have close to 1000 jumps and have never jumped anything loaded over 1.25:1. My current canopy is loaded just under 1.0:1. There's a LOT more I need to learn about canopy control. You just need the right Jedi instructor my young padawan learner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #22 February 16, 2004 I was jumping a Hornet 190 loaded at just a hair under 1.4:1 at just a bit over 100 jumps. I thought I was special, I wasn't, looking back at it I really wish I wouldn't have made that choice. Honestly, I feel that I was incredibly lucky to have not hurt myself. That's one of the reasons why I'm a wingloading BSR advocate.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #23 February 16, 2004 A little after 1000 dives for me to exceed 1.4 I'm a slow learner. I spent over 2000 dives after that loaded to 1.65, and then another 1000 or so loaded to 1.8. In about 600 dives time I'll probably feel ready to go to a crossbrace, loaded to about 1.9. I walk just great. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #24 February 16, 2004 QuoteI walk just great. I can't help but think of our friend Dewy down in "Skydive the Rockies" right now. Here was a fellow who messed himself up (he'll never walk again) after something like his 4500th skydive on a swoop gone bad. Yes the low-timers (and I likely still fall into that category myself) are at higher risks flying highly loaded canopies than the ultra experienced. But the margin for error is slim and the ultra experienced do occasionally mess themselves up as well. So the decision to swoop must come from within and the person in question is in trouble if the reason why they swoop is to impress others. Swoop for your own reasons people, but don't swoop to impress others. Unless your name is Clint Clawson (or one of the other top PST competitors), there's always going to be somebody better than you out there. Back on to the topic at hand, on jump #402 I made the decision to load my wing higher than 1.4:1 (it was a few hairs under 1.6:1 as my current profile illustrates). But in that time, I have lost about 15 lbs and next week once I get my new container ready to jump, I will weigh myself again and update my current wing loading on my profile. Also, while I have successfully stood up all 183 of my landings on my current Crossfire2 canopy. I have not mastered this wing yet. And I told myself that I would only downsize again once I have mastered this wing. To me, mastering the wing is different than standing up every landing (even when I am often pushing the limits at a high density altitude DZ). Be smart, be safe, seek training and safe swoops people. 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jimmytavino 16 #15 February 15, 2004 QuoteI have close to 1000 jumps and have never jumped anything loaded over 1.25:1. My current canopy is loaded just under 1.0:1. __________________________________________________ Pretty much the same for me.....lisa..I am nowhere NEAR. 1.4 and will never be,,,, even under my reserve(s)... I started jumping Para Plane Clouds within about 2 years of their availability They had "rings and ropes" and we launched them from our backs with 2 spring loaded MA-1 pilot chutes.... I saw alot then, ,some jumpers got hurt,,, some had rough landings,,, some had rough malfunctions and so I developed a healthy respect for squares...I've been jumping a 200+ ,,, square foot canopy now, for around 20 years..Had a heavy weight cloud then a cloud lite for a couple hundred jumps ..a 252 para foil for a season or two, and then an RW challenger 240 on which I made 1,150 malfunction free jumps ... My exit weight has always been between 185 and 210 lbs. during this time.. The last 2 or 3 years now,,,I jump a spectre210..... and it is plenty fast enough for me....for getting back from long spots,,, it flies well in half brakes and 3/4 brakes ( as did ALL my past mains,,, ) and since I am sort of old school,,, I like the feeling of setting up on the peas, and finishing a fun skydive with a nice stand up on the disc...... Sure Sure ..it's easy to kick the disc as you scoot by during a swoop finale,,, But I enjoy the satisfaction of stopping on the disc... and SO.... 1.0 : 1.... works real well for me.. and downsizing isn't needed...... However,, for Others..... go for it!!!! we should each use our own judgement,,, based on our experiences and on what we have witnessed,,, and make our own personal decisions as we move through our skydiving careers .. .... " Upsize, Downsize, Let's be happy with.... .............the Right Size" Ten Cuidado Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjunior 0 #16 February 15, 2004 I did not nessarily downsize my canapy I up sized my my bodyweight about 25 pounds. PLEASE REMEMB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #17 February 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteWingloading alone doesn't tell the whole story... the size of a canopy matters quite a bit too. A small canopy will react faster than a large canopy, so you can't quite compare "apples to apples" based on wingloadings alone. Blue ones, Kolla Your right. I was thinking that after I posted this poll. I should have elaborated it better to get a better result. I think of something. But thanks!! I think it will be valuable anyway, given that the regulations in some countries and regulatory proposals in others relate primarily or exclusively to wing loading. If you want to know whether a regulation works or is likely to work, you have to evaluate it as it is.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cocheese 0 #18 February 15, 2004 When your accuracy and stand up rate is so hi that you purposely put it in tight areas for fun.... then get yelled at for doing it right : then you're ready to downsizewith permission from at least 3 people who work at the dz and only in a safe area with little traffic. Damn I should run for office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ripcords 0 #19 February 15, 2004 12000 jumps 1.0 and holding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cocheese 0 #20 February 16, 2004 Quote12000 jumps 1.0 and holding Wow. Something to consider. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites VectorBoy 0 #21 February 16, 2004 QuoteI have close to 1000 jumps and have never jumped anything loaded over 1.25:1. My current canopy is loaded just under 1.0:1. There's a LOT more I need to learn about canopy control. You just need the right Jedi instructor my young padawan learner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #22 February 16, 2004 I was jumping a Hornet 190 loaded at just a hair under 1.4:1 at just a bit over 100 jumps. I thought I was special, I wasn't, looking back at it I really wish I wouldn't have made that choice. Honestly, I feel that I was incredibly lucky to have not hurt myself. That's one of the reasons why I'm a wingloading BSR advocate.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #23 February 16, 2004 A little after 1000 dives for me to exceed 1.4 I'm a slow learner. I spent over 2000 dives after that loaded to 1.65, and then another 1000 or so loaded to 1.8. In about 600 dives time I'll probably feel ready to go to a crossbrace, loaded to about 1.9. I walk just great. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #24 February 16, 2004 QuoteI walk just great. I can't help but think of our friend Dewy down in "Skydive the Rockies" right now. Here was a fellow who messed himself up (he'll never walk again) after something like his 4500th skydive on a swoop gone bad. Yes the low-timers (and I likely still fall into that category myself) are at higher risks flying highly loaded canopies than the ultra experienced. But the margin for error is slim and the ultra experienced do occasionally mess themselves up as well. So the decision to swoop must come from within and the person in question is in trouble if the reason why they swoop is to impress others. Swoop for your own reasons people, but don't swoop to impress others. Unless your name is Clint Clawson (or one of the other top PST competitors), there's always going to be somebody better than you out there. Back on to the topic at hand, on jump #402 I made the decision to load my wing higher than 1.4:1 (it was a few hairs under 1.6:1 as my current profile illustrates). But in that time, I have lost about 15 lbs and next week once I get my new container ready to jump, I will weigh myself again and update my current wing loading on my profile. Also, while I have successfully stood up all 183 of my landings on my current Crossfire2 canopy. I have not mastered this wing yet. And I told myself that I would only downsize again once I have mastered this wing. To me, mastering the wing is different than standing up every landing (even when I am often pushing the limits at a high density altitude DZ). Be smart, be safe, seek training and safe swoops people. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #25 February 16, 2004 i'm around 1.3-1.34 depending on my weight... Still varies from time to time... been there at around 200 jumps. will get to 1.4 (or a bit more) when I get my new canopy (inch allah next year) which should bring me at approx 500-600 jumpsscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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skyjunior 0 #16 February 15, 2004 I did not nessarily downsize my canapy I up sized my my bodyweight about 25 pounds. PLEASE REMEMB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #17 February 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteWingloading alone doesn't tell the whole story... the size of a canopy matters quite a bit too. A small canopy will react faster than a large canopy, so you can't quite compare "apples to apples" based on wingloadings alone. Blue ones, Kolla Your right. I was thinking that after I posted this poll. I should have elaborated it better to get a better result. I think of something. But thanks!! I think it will be valuable anyway, given that the regulations in some countries and regulatory proposals in others relate primarily or exclusively to wing loading. If you want to know whether a regulation works or is likely to work, you have to evaluate it as it is.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #18 February 15, 2004 When your accuracy and stand up rate is so hi that you purposely put it in tight areas for fun.... then get yelled at for doing it right : then you're ready to downsizewith permission from at least 3 people who work at the dz and only in a safe area with little traffic. Damn I should run for office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcords 0 #19 February 15, 2004 12000 jumps 1.0 and holding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #20 February 16, 2004 Quote12000 jumps 1.0 and holding Wow. Something to consider. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #21 February 16, 2004 QuoteI have close to 1000 jumps and have never jumped anything loaded over 1.25:1. My current canopy is loaded just under 1.0:1. There's a LOT more I need to learn about canopy control. You just need the right Jedi instructor my young padawan learner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #22 February 16, 2004 I was jumping a Hornet 190 loaded at just a hair under 1.4:1 at just a bit over 100 jumps. I thought I was special, I wasn't, looking back at it I really wish I wouldn't have made that choice. Honestly, I feel that I was incredibly lucky to have not hurt myself. That's one of the reasons why I'm a wingloading BSR advocate.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #23 February 16, 2004 A little after 1000 dives for me to exceed 1.4 I'm a slow learner. I spent over 2000 dives after that loaded to 1.65, and then another 1000 or so loaded to 1.8. In about 600 dives time I'll probably feel ready to go to a crossbrace, loaded to about 1.9. I walk just great. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #24 February 16, 2004 QuoteI walk just great. I can't help but think of our friend Dewy down in "Skydive the Rockies" right now. Here was a fellow who messed himself up (he'll never walk again) after something like his 4500th skydive on a swoop gone bad. Yes the low-timers (and I likely still fall into that category myself) are at higher risks flying highly loaded canopies than the ultra experienced. But the margin for error is slim and the ultra experienced do occasionally mess themselves up as well. So the decision to swoop must come from within and the person in question is in trouble if the reason why they swoop is to impress others. Swoop for your own reasons people, but don't swoop to impress others. Unless your name is Clint Clawson (or one of the other top PST competitors), there's always going to be somebody better than you out there. Back on to the topic at hand, on jump #402 I made the decision to load my wing higher than 1.4:1 (it was a few hairs under 1.6:1 as my current profile illustrates). But in that time, I have lost about 15 lbs and next week once I get my new container ready to jump, I will weigh myself again and update my current wing loading on my profile. Also, while I have successfully stood up all 183 of my landings on my current Crossfire2 canopy. I have not mastered this wing yet. And I told myself that I would only downsize again once I have mastered this wing. To me, mastering the wing is different than standing up every landing (even when I am often pushing the limits at a high density altitude DZ). Be smart, be safe, seek training and safe swoops people. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #25 February 16, 2004 i'm around 1.3-1.34 depending on my weight... Still varies from time to time... been there at around 200 jumps. will get to 1.4 (or a bit more) when I get my new canopy (inch allah next year) which should bring me at approx 500-600 jumpsscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
