Mirage63 0 #1 February 15, 2004 When the 300 way was done, I thought that it would stand for years. Being new to big ways maybe some one could post a time line of new records. Also, does anyone know how many people who were on the current record were ALSO on the 300 way record? Rainy day questions................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #2 February 15, 2004 132 women, 2002, Perris, CA. Prior to that jump my biggest completion was 34. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #3 February 15, 2004 Quote132 women, 2002, Perris, CA. Prior to that jump my biggest completion was 34. yahooooo. The Bytch rocks. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #4 February 15, 2004 When the 300 way was done, I thought that it would stand for years. Being new to big ways maybe some one could post a time line of new records. Also, does anyone know how many people who were on the current record were ALSO on the 300 way record? *** I know a couple of people from Alabama (my home state) were on the 300 way in AZ - former shuttle astronaut Fred Leslie and his wife Kathy. Not sure if they were on the 357 way, but my friend Hiro Masuda, who is deaf, from Japan was on that one closing the 3rd from last grip. I was an original member of the 300 way attempts at Skydive Chicago in 1998, then broke my arm a month before that and had to give up my slot. Oh well."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver51 0 #5 February 15, 2004 13 way, and was MORE than enough people in the air at the same time for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #6 February 15, 2004 When the 300 way was done, I thought that it would stand for years. Being new to big ways maybe some one could post a time line of new records. *** I can't be sure of the exact years, but the first 100 way was done sometime in the early to mid 1980's. Actually I don't even know what year, but it was in that decade. There was a 144 way done at Quincy in the mid to late 80's, though I may be wrong. In 1992 or thereabouts, the 200 way was completed in Myrtle Beach, SC. In 1994 I think they got an unofficial 216 way in Bratislava, (country?) that had one wrong grip. In 1996 (I think), saw a 300 way attempt build to 297 in Anapa, Russia. I know there was a world record attempt at Lake Wales before that, by Roger Nelson, but I can't recall the date or year. Then there was the 246 way world record at Chicago (the one I was supposed to be on) in 1998. There was another one at Chicago in 2000 I think, that didn't succeed. The 246 way was then eclipsed by a 282 way in Thailand, which was beaten by the 300 way in Eloy, and now the 357 way in Thailand recently. It was slow going in the early years as talent and experience were sparse, and dive engineering in those sizes were being tweaked again and again to find something that worked. Finally, at Anapa, they employed the weedwacker layout used on every record attempt ever since, for the outer parts that proved easier and quicker to build and hold and less susceptible to pulling and pushing stresses. It was also an easy formation to add and subtract jumpers. I predict we'll see a 400 way in a few years, which was unthinkable just 5 years ago. Before the 200 way was done, a 300 way was believed unattainable. Amazing, huh? Blue Skies Billy"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Stacy 0 #7 February 15, 2004 75. I suck. but i was last in on the outer loop! yeah! __ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eeneR 3 #8 February 15, 2004 1 point 36 way, and a 3 point 32 way....course not everyone made the third point...but I was in my slot She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #9 February 15, 2004 -My largest completed as planned: 60-way -My largest incomplete: 73 of a planned 74-way (I won't tell you who was low!) I like big ways, and would love to do more. I have enough beef to be valuable in the base, so it may come to pass one day!Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites indyz 1 #10 February 15, 2004 QuoteI predict we'll see a 400 way in a few years, which was unthinkable just 5 years ago. Before the 200 way was done, a 300 way was believed unattainable. Amazing, huh? If you think about it, adding just one more row of wackers to the 357 way would take it to well above 400 people. As for me, I dunno, maybe about 15. My most memorable "big ways" though are some multipoint 8 ways out of C-182s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #11 February 15, 2004 I did an 8 way. It only built for about 2.4 seconds, but it did build.... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nightjumps 1 #12 February 15, 2004 3 point 36 way Veteran's 34 way at WFFC last year... Its a loonnnnggg story. hehe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AudreyRowe 0 #13 February 15, 2004 132 women JFTC Perris 2002 - Guiness Record 131 - New world record - and it was just great! Prior to that I had been on 98 way in the UK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites daveb 1 #14 February 15, 2004 QuoteWhen the 300 way was done, I thought that it would stand for years. Being new to big ways maybe some one could post a time line of new records. See http://www.theworldteam.com/Mhistory.htm for a timeline. I, too, thought at the time it might last a while, but within just a few days of the 300-way, I heard about the plans for the larger way, and I'm not even in the loop! QuoteAlso, does anyone know how many people who were on the current record were ALSO on the 300 way record? I do not have the numbers, but both rosters are available online (hmm -- the 300-way.com site is gone, but google still has the cached pages) and an enterprising person could match 'em up. I'd take a swag at 50% overlap, extrapolated from who I saw at Eloy but not in Thailand, and vice-versa. There were reportedly ~70% veterans from WT99. I've no doubt that 400 way is close at hand. The biggest problems going bigger seem to be finding qualified people who will try, can spend the significant time and money required, and obtaining a reliable source of aircraft and dz operations. The Royal Thai Air Force was absolutely superb in this regard. Is 500 doable? Yes, but. I think the organizational logistics would be the problem, not the formation: find em, transport em, house em, feed em, herd em, communicate with em; and that's just the surface view of the problems. As I complimented the RTAF, I extend the same courtesy to the WT04 organizers and support staff: a first-rate job guys and gals! -- Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites daveb 1 #15 February 15, 2004 QuoteNot sure if they were on the 357 way, but my friend Hiro Masuda, who is deaf, from Japan was on that one closing the 3rd from last grip. Hiro is an amazing jumper. I did an Airspeed camp with him in Nov 2002, and have bumped into him several times since, including the 357 way. I have not met many people who try harder or have a more pleasant personality. You're indeed fortunate to count him as a friend. -- Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,106 #16 February 15, 2004 I'd like to hear from someone who was on both, how the "many small planes" set-up on the 300 way compared with the "few huge planes" on the 357 way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #17 February 15, 2004 Biggest to date - 34 way that completed. Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,070 #18 February 15, 2004 Many small planes setup: -Less comfortable -Longer climb -More O2 problems -Easier to tweak aircraft positions Four big planes: -Greater risk of collision/shoulder dislocation on exit -Fewer stable exits due to congestion and high speed exits -More traffic issues Reliability was about the same. We had 3 aircraft problems with the Hercs, 3 problems with one of the 14 smaller aircraft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites daveb 1 #19 February 15, 2004 I was in the whiner's corner in otter I (slot I-3b) third from lead, right side) in Eloy, middle of the first wacker in sector 4, and in the last row of divers from the lead Herc in Thailand, next to outside of wacker 4 in sector 10. Obviously, the dive was far steeper from the Hercs, and was much flatter from the Otters. The Hercs exited 4 abreast, 20-25 lines deep, with a faster airspeed and a tailgate vs the slower Otter, single file diving from the side door maybe 10 people deep (at the end). I thought the exit from the Herc was *much* easier - and certainly more fun - than the Otter, especially from the whiner's corner. The aircraft formation for both events spread out to give people the straightest shot to the skydiving formation. Both dives were well planned, and neither had lingering traffic problems, once everybody understood their job and flew it. The ride to altitude was much more comfortable in the Herc, both because it was warmer (did I mention I was in the whiner's corner in the Otter?) and it was a bit less cramped in the Herc. It was more difficult identifying your own O2 hose in the Herc, but the hoses were less of an issue during exit. We exited higher in Thailand (23,500') than in Eloy (21,000'), and a couple of times it felt like we were at altitude a long time in Thailand. I suspect the Eloy lineup will not scale appreciably further than the 14 aircraft used. I'd have to imagine than aircraft logistics would become a significant factor with 20 or more aircraft in formation (mechanical problems, coordination, safety) than with 5 C-130s. Both events had aircraft mechanical problems, and both were overcome. Is this about what you wanted to know? I'd do either event again, but my preference is for the C-130s, and I believe they, or something similar, will be required for 400+ way formations. -- Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jb092 0 #20 February 15, 2004 I was on a 72-way a few years ago. What could possibly go wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,106 #21 February 15, 2004 Yes, thanks Dave and Bill, that was what I was interested in (engineer's curiosity).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pkasdorf 0 #22 February 16, 2004 No place in this poll for us common mortals who never completed 25 or more... 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BillyVance 34 #6 February 15, 2004 When the 300 way was done, I thought that it would stand for years. Being new to big ways maybe some one could post a time line of new records. *** I can't be sure of the exact years, but the first 100 way was done sometime in the early to mid 1980's. Actually I don't even know what year, but it was in that decade. There was a 144 way done at Quincy in the mid to late 80's, though I may be wrong. In 1992 or thereabouts, the 200 way was completed in Myrtle Beach, SC. In 1994 I think they got an unofficial 216 way in Bratislava, (country?) that had one wrong grip. In 1996 (I think), saw a 300 way attempt build to 297 in Anapa, Russia. I know there was a world record attempt at Lake Wales before that, by Roger Nelson, but I can't recall the date or year. Then there was the 246 way world record at Chicago (the one I was supposed to be on) in 1998. There was another one at Chicago in 2000 I think, that didn't succeed. The 246 way was then eclipsed by a 282 way in Thailand, which was beaten by the 300 way in Eloy, and now the 357 way in Thailand recently. It was slow going in the early years as talent and experience were sparse, and dive engineering in those sizes were being tweaked again and again to find something that worked. Finally, at Anapa, they employed the weedwacker layout used on every record attempt ever since, for the outer parts that proved easier and quicker to build and hold and less susceptible to pulling and pushing stresses. It was also an easy formation to add and subtract jumpers. I predict we'll see a 400 way in a few years, which was unthinkable just 5 years ago. Before the 200 way was done, a 300 way was believed unattainable. Amazing, huh? Blue Skies Billy"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stacy 0 #7 February 15, 2004 75. I suck. but i was last in on the outer loop! yeah! __ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #8 February 15, 2004 1 point 36 way, and a 3 point 32 way....course not everyone made the third point...but I was in my slot She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #9 February 15, 2004 -My largest completed as planned: 60-way -My largest incomplete: 73 of a planned 74-way (I won't tell you who was low!) I like big ways, and would love to do more. I have enough beef to be valuable in the base, so it may come to pass one day!Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #10 February 15, 2004 QuoteI predict we'll see a 400 way in a few years, which was unthinkable just 5 years ago. Before the 200 way was done, a 300 way was believed unattainable. Amazing, huh? If you think about it, adding just one more row of wackers to the 357 way would take it to well above 400 people. As for me, I dunno, maybe about 15. My most memorable "big ways" though are some multipoint 8 ways out of C-182s. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #11 February 15, 2004 I did an 8 way. It only built for about 2.4 seconds, but it did build.... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #12 February 15, 2004 3 point 36 way Veteran's 34 way at WFFC last year... Its a loonnnnggg story. hehe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AudreyRowe 0 #13 February 15, 2004 132 women JFTC Perris 2002 - Guiness Record 131 - New world record - and it was just great! Prior to that I had been on 98 way in the UK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daveb 1 #14 February 15, 2004 QuoteWhen the 300 way was done, I thought that it would stand for years. Being new to big ways maybe some one could post a time line of new records. See http://www.theworldteam.com/Mhistory.htm for a timeline. I, too, thought at the time it might last a while, but within just a few days of the 300-way, I heard about the plans for the larger way, and I'm not even in the loop! QuoteAlso, does anyone know how many people who were on the current record were ALSO on the 300 way record? I do not have the numbers, but both rosters are available online (hmm -- the 300-way.com site is gone, but google still has the cached pages) and an enterprising person could match 'em up. I'd take a swag at 50% overlap, extrapolated from who I saw at Eloy but not in Thailand, and vice-versa. There were reportedly ~70% veterans from WT99. I've no doubt that 400 way is close at hand. The biggest problems going bigger seem to be finding qualified people who will try, can spend the significant time and money required, and obtaining a reliable source of aircraft and dz operations. The Royal Thai Air Force was absolutely superb in this regard. Is 500 doable? Yes, but. I think the organizational logistics would be the problem, not the formation: find em, transport em, house em, feed em, herd em, communicate with em; and that's just the surface view of the problems. As I complimented the RTAF, I extend the same courtesy to the WT04 organizers and support staff: a first-rate job guys and gals! -- Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daveb 1 #15 February 15, 2004 QuoteNot sure if they were on the 357 way, but my friend Hiro Masuda, who is deaf, from Japan was on that one closing the 3rd from last grip. Hiro is an amazing jumper. I did an Airspeed camp with him in Nov 2002, and have bumped into him several times since, including the 357 way. I have not met many people who try harder or have a more pleasant personality. You're indeed fortunate to count him as a friend. -- Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #16 February 15, 2004 I'd like to hear from someone who was on both, how the "many small planes" set-up on the 300 way compared with the "few huge planes" on the 357 way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #17 February 15, 2004 Biggest to date - 34 way that completed. Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #18 February 15, 2004 Many small planes setup: -Less comfortable -Longer climb -More O2 problems -Easier to tweak aircraft positions Four big planes: -Greater risk of collision/shoulder dislocation on exit -Fewer stable exits due to congestion and high speed exits -More traffic issues Reliability was about the same. We had 3 aircraft problems with the Hercs, 3 problems with one of the 14 smaller aircraft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daveb 1 #19 February 15, 2004 I was in the whiner's corner in otter I (slot I-3b) third from lead, right side) in Eloy, middle of the first wacker in sector 4, and in the last row of divers from the lead Herc in Thailand, next to outside of wacker 4 in sector 10. Obviously, the dive was far steeper from the Hercs, and was much flatter from the Otters. The Hercs exited 4 abreast, 20-25 lines deep, with a faster airspeed and a tailgate vs the slower Otter, single file diving from the side door maybe 10 people deep (at the end). I thought the exit from the Herc was *much* easier - and certainly more fun - than the Otter, especially from the whiner's corner. The aircraft formation for both events spread out to give people the straightest shot to the skydiving formation. Both dives were well planned, and neither had lingering traffic problems, once everybody understood their job and flew it. The ride to altitude was much more comfortable in the Herc, both because it was warmer (did I mention I was in the whiner's corner in the Otter?) and it was a bit less cramped in the Herc. It was more difficult identifying your own O2 hose in the Herc, but the hoses were less of an issue during exit. We exited higher in Thailand (23,500') than in Eloy (21,000'), and a couple of times it felt like we were at altitude a long time in Thailand. I suspect the Eloy lineup will not scale appreciably further than the 14 aircraft used. I'd have to imagine than aircraft logistics would become a significant factor with 20 or more aircraft in formation (mechanical problems, coordination, safety) than with 5 C-130s. Both events had aircraft mechanical problems, and both were overcome. Is this about what you wanted to know? I'd do either event again, but my preference is for the C-130s, and I believe they, or something similar, will be required for 400+ way formations. -- Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jb092 0 #20 February 15, 2004 I was on a 72-way a few years ago. What could possibly go wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #21 February 15, 2004 Yes, thanks Dave and Bill, that was what I was interested in (engineer's curiosity).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pkasdorf 0 #22 February 16, 2004 No place in this poll for us common mortals who never completed 25 or more... HISPA # 18 POPS # 8757 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #23 February 16, 2004 19...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #24 February 16, 2004 There was a 126 way in Europe - Belgium, I think, between the 100 way and the 144 way diamond... tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mirage63 0 #25 February 16, 2004 You know this will sound terrible, but I like going to big way events so much that I am atually trying to get out of a FREE trip to Amsterdamn (sp) so I can attend TSR. Now that is stupied! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
