patairborne 0 #1 December 23, 2003 On Saturday December 20, 2003 I witnessed what I consider to be a jumper much to anxious to prove his machismo by jumping when he should not have. This particular jumper a week or two before, broke his finger so bad on a hybrid jump that it required pins to hold it together. His left forearm was completely wrapped in an ace bandage with a pseudo type cast extending to his hand. The only finger exposed was his thumb. He felt that he was okay to jump and became very defensive when asked why he needed to jump. I believe that this jumper is pretty heads up, but in an emergency situation what may have happened when it came time to pull handles? There is a time to jump and a time not to jump. In my opinion this was not the time to jump. The S&TA finally convinced him not to make a jump that day and to wait until he had a different cast on his hand. He was not very happy about it though. I'd like to hear what others think about this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #2 December 23, 2003 I am glad the S&TA talked him out of jumping instead of grounding him. I dont like overflexed authority. The jumper should be told why he shouldnt jump, not told he cant jump. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #3 December 23, 2003 Mad John broke his wrist snowboarding and was jumping with a cast for at least a month. He really wacked me with it on a horney gorilla. I won't do that anymore if anyone has a cast on Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #4 December 24, 2003 Any injury or "thing" such as a cast that interferes with your procedures or EP's is a grounder. I broke a couple small bones just above my right wrist at a big way. After six jumps I sat down as it began to cause PC deployment problems. After x-rays confirming the break I had a splint put on to avoid the problems with a cast. I laid off two weeks then returned. I had the splint, a foam wrap, and gloves on, no problem with practice pulls on the ground however, after taking an AFF Cat C out I was unable to pull with the right hand only. I had to push with the left and pull with the right in order to deploy the main. Needless to say I sat down again for several weeks. The point is, even when we think we are "good to go" we may be wrong. Listen to the experienced Instructors and your S&TA. Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #5 December 24, 2003 He should not jump. Airborne emergencies require dexterity and without full use of your hands you are putting yourself and others at risk. I spoke with said jumper after he decided not to jump. He was trying to convince me how he could operate his canopy and do control checks. I didn't ask him about high speed mals, but by then he had gotten the message. When in doubt, get the S&TA involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #6 December 24, 2003 if you can't grab your handles you have no business being in the air. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webracer 0 #7 December 24, 2003 I agree with SDUCoach. I am not against grounding the jumper. He/She may be ok for "everyday" procedures, but when it comes to emergencies, this can't be good. You need everything you've got working for you to handle today's emergencies, a cast or similar is not appropriate. Sometimes we are quite anxious to get in the air, and make bad decisions. If you cannot be talked out of it, grounding is the only option. It sucks, I know... but death sucks more... for all of us!Troy I am now free to exercise my downward mobility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pkasdorf 0 #8 December 24, 2003 I fully agree! Talk him/her out of jumping or ground him/her. In this scenario grounding is not an act of fascism! HISPA # 18 POPS # 8757 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites