non uspa dropzones

[freeryde13 0]

are there any in the us? why are they non uspa ?

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[Jimbo 0]

There are plenty.

Why they aren't USPA? Usually because of politics.
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[freeryde13 0]

where are they listed? are the dzs in this site all uspa? is the list in this site a complete list of all dzs in the us? if not where can i get a list of every dz in the us

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[pilotdave 0]

Yeah, non-uspa DZs are listed on this site. Nothing wrong with em!

Dave

[jumpinfarmer 0]

Is there such a thing as a non USPA jumper in the US other than a foreign visitor.

[Hooknswoop 19]

What's the difference betweeen a USPA GM DZ and a non USPA GM DZ? The GM DZ sends a check to USPA once a year. That's it.

Derek

[councilman24 37]

Sure. The are no laws requiring USPA membership. And there are dropzones which don't require membership. There are lots of people who choose not to spend the money and be USPA members.

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[pilotdave 0]

And there are non-uspa DZs that require USPA membership.

Dave

[b1jercat 0]

USPA members can always go to non-uspa DZs but non-uspa jumper are not always welcome at uspa DZs. Personally I like a DZ that follows the USPA BSR's. but thats just me.

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jerry

[slug 1]

To keep it simple I think why folks and DZ's choose not to join USPA have already been discussed.

Are their non USPA DZ's? yes but IMO not enough

Will a non USPA US jumper be able to jump at a USPA dropzone. Since I haven't been to every DZ in the US I can't say for sure. From the USPA DZ's i've been to the answer is hell no unless you shell out x bucks at the DZ for a temporary membership.

IMO saying that the reason some DZ's and jumpers choose not to join USPA is money is a over simplification.

Consider the cost of skydiving and the cost of USPA membership. The money saved by not joining is chump change.

The advertising benifit of a USPA DZ to be able to attract tandems & AFF vs a non USPA is obvious. Just check out the front page of their websights and read what some of them have to same about non USPA dropzones. this is in spite of the fact that following the BSR's on either type of DZ is done on the honor system and not verified/spot checked by USPA.

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[riddler 0]

One of the reasons that USPA dropzones require USPA membership is liability. As USPA members, we have third-party insurance in case we damage other's property while skydiving. For instance, if you hit a non-DZ plane or car while jumping, the damage would be insured if you are a USPA member. Dropzone owners don't want to be financially liable for your skydiving.

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[WrongWay 0]

My home DZ is non USPA, and I still love it.

Why this is, I don't know, but I'm simply assuming it's politics.

Wrong Way
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[slug 1]

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One of the reasons that USPA dropzones require USPA membership is liability. As USPA members, we have third-party insurance in case we damage other's property while skydiving. For instance, if you hit a non-DZ plane or car while jumping, the damage would be insured if you are a USPA member. Dropzone owners don't want to be financially liable for your skydiving.

That's the party line, wonder how the non USPA DZ's handle that problem.

R.I.P.

[Nightingale 0]

probably waivers.

[riddler 0]

I don't want to turn it into another insurance thread - we've had a few of those already

But the problem with waivers is that the third party doesn't sign them. So the whuffo observer who's one-of-a-kind car you just dented, and who never signed anything, will want compensation. Not much he can get from the poor skydiver except a used rig, so he goes after the dropzone, which is perceived to have lots of money.

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[jlmiracle 7]

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One of the reasons that USPA dropzones require USPA membership is liability. As USPA members, we have third-party insurance in case we damage other's property while skydiving. For instance, if you hit a non-DZ plane or car while jumping, the damage would be insured if you are a USPA member. Dropzone owners don't want to be financially liable for your skydiving.

That's the party line, wonder how the non USPA DZ's handle that problem.

R.I.P.

Like it was stated above, some non GM DZ's require USPA membership. The GM program does not have insurance. It is the member that is covered not the dropzone.

Judy

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[Nightingale 0]

Well, I can tell you for sure, that a non-uspa member is NOT permitted to jump at Perris, and I don't think at Elsinore either. Visiting jumpers are asked to at least buy a temporary membership.

[flyangel2 2]

Would my homeowner's insurance cover the cost?

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[Skydive2 1]

I know of a Kick Ass NON uspa DZ in Maryland.
http://www.parachutesAREfun.com

Lance

[Hooknswoop 19]

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USPA members can always go to non-uspa DZs but non-uspa jumper are not always welcome at uspa DZs. Personally I like a DZ that follows the USPA BSR's. but thats just me.

Which may or may not be a USPA GM DZ.

I know of a non USPA GM DZ that follows the BSR's better that a few USPA GM DZ's I can think of.

Derek

[riddler 0]

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Would my homeowner's insurance cover the cost?

If you're lucky. Many policies exclude any accident having anything to do with an aircraft, so skydiving would probably be out. It's up to the individual policy, so you have to read yours closely. Very closely. If you have an umbrella policy, and there's no exclusion for skydiving or aircraft-related claims, then you're probably covered.

Has anyone actually filed a homeowner's claim for a skydiving accident? I would be interested to hear what happened.

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[rocketdog 0]

yep! my buddy had almost 1000 jumps til he actually applied for his A-license ... funny! if you don't need the insurance & don't plan on ever traveling, i guess its not so bad!?

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[Antithesis 0]

I'm not sure if it is that way now or not, But
The first year of the WFFC at RANTOUL was not USPA.

I know this because I was not a member at the time and thought that it was a requirement like many of the people working the registration tent... But the supervisor ... forget her name told me that the wffc was not uspa and to save my $$ for jumps.

I am currently a member who began at a non uspa dz and have never found a uspa dz who matches the unwaivering commitment to the bsr's and safety in general that the non uspa drop zone that I began at has.

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[sundevil777 102]

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began at a non uspa dz and have never found a uspa dz who matches the unwaivering commitment to the bsr's and safety in general that the non uspa drop zone that I began at has.

Have you ever found a DZ that is better and IS a group member DZ?

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[Antithesis 0]

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Have you ever found a DZ that is better and IS a group member DZ?

I've found a few that I like jumping at better but like I said, none that have that kind of consistant commitment to safety IMO.
Who's to say though that I'm not just partial to the way that I learned and the people who taught me.

I travel the land, Work in the ocean, Play in the sky