dgskydive 0 #1 January 15, 2004 Of course I know what a Freeflyer is. What do you consider freeflyin? I have had this talk with a few people and want to get some other opinions. My point is that just because you can Sit and Stand you are not really a freeflyer. People have been sitting, standing and back flying for over 20 years. It is nothing new. When this whole freeflying thing came about it was only the people that could fly in all demensions that where called freeflyers. It was the head down that made the difference. That is when you are really free. For the record I am mostly an RW guy. I can sit and stand but still tend to slide all over the place. Do I deserve to call myself a freeflyer? I don't think so. Once I can fly in all demensions I will call myself a freeflyer. What do you think?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #2 January 15, 2004 To be a complete freeflier, one would assume that you must be able to fly in all dimensions. But if someone is doing a sit jump, I'd still classify it as a freefly jump. Of course what do I know? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #3 January 15, 2004 QuoteMy point is that just because you can Sit and Stand you are not really a freeflyer. No way! If you are flying in orientations other than belly, you are freeflying and therefore a freeflyer (not to say that belly flying cannot be part of freeflying; i just meant belly flying other than RW). Head down flying is just one dimension of freeflying. It just seems to be the most "glamorous". So what. If you are sitflying, you are freeflying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #4 January 15, 2004 It is just one of those things that makes you go hmmmm? What are they really?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #5 January 15, 2004 Maybe everyone should be Freestylist until the can go head down (then they are truly free).Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #6 January 15, 2004 I'd say it'd be the other way round. I'd say freestyle is a lot more "free" than freeflying. Freefly dives you can still only spend the dive in one position (say sit). That in itself isn't that much more free than RW____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stuffit 0 #7 January 15, 2004 Quote Freefly dives you can still only spend the dive in one position (say sit). What???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamsville 0 #8 January 15, 2004 I didn't answer the poll because there are multiple answers that I think qualify. Sometimes "free flying" is referred to as VRW. It includes sit, stand, and head down, and maybe some variations such as back flying or other stuff I hadn't necessarily thought of. "Free flying" is just a subjective term that came to be, and there has been a lot written about what this type of flying should be called. Just get out, relax, and fly, improving as you go. Don't worry about it. |I don't drink during the day, so I don't know what it is about this airline. I keep falling out the door of the plane. Harry, FB #4143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #9 January 15, 2004 Mind set. I'd have to say I know several freefyers that fly on their belly. I call them Cameramen. I've watched some extremely talented and creative camera men that fly very freely all over the place. They come up with some very dynamic video. Desire. People with 40 jumps that are out performing acrobatics and learning to fly dynamically are freeflyers. There's more but I have to get back to work.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vertifly 0 #10 January 15, 2004 There is a preclusion in your question and answers. It is that a freeflyer is made by ones capability to fly a particular position. I always look at it as being able to do something (anything) other than arching and falling - as long as you are in contol of the flying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #11 January 15, 2004 Does not having earned an AD not make you a freeflier? Even though I freak, we often do "freeflown" exits in R-dub. You can stereotype, but nowadays it can be difficult. I know many freaks & swoopers that can turn points with the best. I also know a lot of r-dub types that can freefly in all dimensions. The same thing can be said for CReWDogs. Does a 2 stack after a freefall make you a crewdog? I've docked 8th+ on a diamond a few times, but I haven't done many downplanes. You talk to some of the hardcore dogs and they say you are still a pup until you have cutaway from a wrap or entanglement. Who cares what we label ourselves! We are all skydivers! It's all good! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #12 January 15, 2004 Same question from me. What? Why can you only stay in a sit?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #13 January 15, 2004 QuoteThere is a preclusion in your question and answers. It is that a freeflyer is made by ones capability to fly a particular position Not just one postion, but all of them make you IMHO a freeflyer. Until then you are working to become one. It's like the old TV show KungFoo. "Take the pebble grasshopper". Once you can do that last thing you are complete in that way. I have a lot of respect for people that fly on there heads. One of my new found hobbies is watching the Flyboyz and Alchemy in the tunnel. It is amazing to me how good they are on ther heads and they can all do fairly good RW. So in my mind they are true freeflyers. They can fly on any axis at anytime.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StevePhelps 0 #14 January 15, 2004 I don't want to wear the label freeflyer, bellyflyer, etc. Personally, my goal is to fly my body in any dimension. That would make me a better coach and videographer (and skydiver). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #15 January 15, 2004 Then by your definition, Majik, Airspeed, and GK are freeflyers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #16 January 15, 2004 you disagree?____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #17 January 15, 2004 Well the ones that have learned to sit, stand and go head down are. Most of them can do Crw and video as well.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stuffit 0 #18 January 15, 2004 Quoteyou disagree? Why would you have to stay in one position for the entire dive? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #19 January 15, 2004 That's not what I'm arguing. What I'm saying is, staying in a sit doesn't really make you any more "free" than someone who spends the dive on their belly. ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #20 January 16, 2004 If you choose to stay in one position is one thing. Being able to fly in all positions is another.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #21 January 16, 2004 Exactly.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #22 January 16, 2004 My opinion about this is way the hell off in left field - but here it goes..... You are a freeflier if that is what you are interested in and if that is what you are mainly working to improve on. For Example - I can sit, stand, or head-down without a problem - But I am not a freeflier Because I love RW much more and would rather do that than freefly anyday!=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stuffit 0 #23 January 16, 2004 So if I stay in a sit the entire dive on jump number 1 and stay on my head the entire dive on jump number 2, I am not a freeflier? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stuffit 0 #24 January 16, 2004 Quote Because I love RW much more and would rather do that than freefly anyday! Sucks for you! Edit: QuoteFor Example - I can sit, stand, or head-down without a problem Thats pretty impressive to be able to do that and be a good RW flyer in only 215 jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #25 January 16, 2004 I'd say you're a freeflyer, but in these cases you aren't necessarily more "free" than the rw'er. All I'm trying to say. 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dgskydive 0 #4 January 15, 2004 It is just one of those things that makes you go hmmmm? What are they really?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #5 January 15, 2004 Maybe everyone should be Freestylist until the can go head down (then they are truly free).Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #6 January 15, 2004 I'd say it'd be the other way round. I'd say freestyle is a lot more "free" than freeflying. Freefly dives you can still only spend the dive in one position (say sit). That in itself isn't that much more free than RW____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #7 January 15, 2004 Quote Freefly dives you can still only spend the dive in one position (say sit). What???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamsville 0 #8 January 15, 2004 I didn't answer the poll because there are multiple answers that I think qualify. Sometimes "free flying" is referred to as VRW. It includes sit, stand, and head down, and maybe some variations such as back flying or other stuff I hadn't necessarily thought of. "Free flying" is just a subjective term that came to be, and there has been a lot written about what this type of flying should be called. Just get out, relax, and fly, improving as you go. Don't worry about it. |I don't drink during the day, so I don't know what it is about this airline. I keep falling out the door of the plane. Harry, FB #4143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #9 January 15, 2004 Mind set. I'd have to say I know several freefyers that fly on their belly. I call them Cameramen. I've watched some extremely talented and creative camera men that fly very freely all over the place. They come up with some very dynamic video. Desire. People with 40 jumps that are out performing acrobatics and learning to fly dynamically are freeflyers. There's more but I have to get back to work.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vertifly 0 #10 January 15, 2004 There is a preclusion in your question and answers. It is that a freeflyer is made by ones capability to fly a particular position. I always look at it as being able to do something (anything) other than arching and falling - as long as you are in contol of the flying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #11 January 15, 2004 Does not having earned an AD not make you a freeflier? Even though I freak, we often do "freeflown" exits in R-dub. You can stereotype, but nowadays it can be difficult. I know many freaks & swoopers that can turn points with the best. I also know a lot of r-dub types that can freefly in all dimensions. The same thing can be said for CReWDogs. Does a 2 stack after a freefall make you a crewdog? I've docked 8th+ on a diamond a few times, but I haven't done many downplanes. You talk to some of the hardcore dogs and they say you are still a pup until you have cutaway from a wrap or entanglement. Who cares what we label ourselves! We are all skydivers! It's all good! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #12 January 15, 2004 Same question from me. What? Why can you only stay in a sit?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #13 January 15, 2004 QuoteThere is a preclusion in your question and answers. It is that a freeflyer is made by ones capability to fly a particular position Not just one postion, but all of them make you IMHO a freeflyer. Until then you are working to become one. It's like the old TV show KungFoo. "Take the pebble grasshopper". Once you can do that last thing you are complete in that way. I have a lot of respect for people that fly on there heads. One of my new found hobbies is watching the Flyboyz and Alchemy in the tunnel. It is amazing to me how good they are on ther heads and they can all do fairly good RW. So in my mind they are true freeflyers. They can fly on any axis at anytime.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StevePhelps 0 #14 January 15, 2004 I don't want to wear the label freeflyer, bellyflyer, etc. Personally, my goal is to fly my body in any dimension. That would make me a better coach and videographer (and skydiver). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #15 January 15, 2004 Then by your definition, Majik, Airspeed, and GK are freeflyers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #16 January 15, 2004 you disagree?____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #17 January 15, 2004 Well the ones that have learned to sit, stand and go head down are. Most of them can do Crw and video as well.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stuffit 0 #18 January 15, 2004 Quoteyou disagree? Why would you have to stay in one position for the entire dive? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #19 January 15, 2004 That's not what I'm arguing. What I'm saying is, staying in a sit doesn't really make you any more "free" than someone who spends the dive on their belly. ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #20 January 16, 2004 If you choose to stay in one position is one thing. Being able to fly in all positions is another.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #21 January 16, 2004 Exactly.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #22 January 16, 2004 My opinion about this is way the hell off in left field - but here it goes..... You are a freeflier if that is what you are interested in and if that is what you are mainly working to improve on. For Example - I can sit, stand, or head-down without a problem - But I am not a freeflier Because I love RW much more and would rather do that than freefly anyday!=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stuffit 0 #23 January 16, 2004 So if I stay in a sit the entire dive on jump number 1 and stay on my head the entire dive on jump number 2, I am not a freeflier? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stuffit 0 #24 January 16, 2004 Quote Because I love RW much more and would rather do that than freefly anyday! Sucks for you! Edit: QuoteFor Example - I can sit, stand, or head-down without a problem Thats pretty impressive to be able to do that and be a good RW flyer in only 215 jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #25 January 16, 2004 I'd say you're a freeflyer, but in these cases you aren't necessarily more "free" than the rw'er. All I'm trying to say. It's 1 position vs multiple positions____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
StevePhelps 0 #14 January 15, 2004 I don't want to wear the label freeflyer, bellyflyer, etc. Personally, my goal is to fly my body in any dimension. That would make me a better coach and videographer (and skydiver). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #15 January 15, 2004 Then by your definition, Majik, Airspeed, and GK are freeflyers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #16 January 15, 2004 you disagree?____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #17 January 15, 2004 Well the ones that have learned to sit, stand and go head down are. Most of them can do Crw and video as well.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #18 January 15, 2004 Quoteyou disagree? Why would you have to stay in one position for the entire dive? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #19 January 15, 2004 That's not what I'm arguing. What I'm saying is, staying in a sit doesn't really make you any more "free" than someone who spends the dive on their belly. ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #20 January 16, 2004 If you choose to stay in one position is one thing. Being able to fly in all positions is another.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #21 January 16, 2004 Exactly.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #22 January 16, 2004 My opinion about this is way the hell off in left field - but here it goes..... You are a freeflier if that is what you are interested in and if that is what you are mainly working to improve on. For Example - I can sit, stand, or head-down without a problem - But I am not a freeflier Because I love RW much more and would rather do that than freefly anyday!=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #23 January 16, 2004 So if I stay in a sit the entire dive on jump number 1 and stay on my head the entire dive on jump number 2, I am not a freeflier? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #24 January 16, 2004 Quote Because I love RW much more and would rather do that than freefly anyday! Sucks for you! Edit: QuoteFor Example - I can sit, stand, or head-down without a problem Thats pretty impressive to be able to do that and be a good RW flyer in only 215 jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #25 January 16, 2004 I'd say you're a freeflyer, but in these cases you aren't necessarily more "free" than the rw'er. All I'm trying to say. It's 1 position vs multiple positions____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
