greghoss 0 #1 December 2, 2003 My last two jumps have been reserve rides. Both lineovers on AFF jumps # 5 & 6. I'm just wondering if this is common and if anyone else has had back to back reserve rides? That Reserve sure looks pretty. I am just wondering what the main looks like! If AFF #7 goes silver then I don't think skydiving is for me. I hope not. cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeremyneas 0 #2 December 2, 2003 Sounds like your doing everything right, the only sign you should be reading into this is ... Find another Packer! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #3 December 2, 2003 The only times I know of this happening is a guy trying to learn to pro pack and whipping the steering lines out of place and folks test jumping stuff. I think I'd ask the owner what's up. While a malfunction can happen at any time and just because you just had one doesn't change the odds on whether the next jump will be a malfunction, this is really bad luck.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lolie 0 #4 December 2, 2003 Greg- Got your email and was gonna send you one back, but might as well post here. There was a girl at our dz this summer that had back-to-back cutaways. That night at the bonfire, someone told me she was swearing off skydiving forever. She was jumping again the next weekend. I know of it happening to one other jumper, as well. Never heard of three in a row, though. Can't say that wouldn't worry me a little, but hey, if you make it through three, I wouldn't worry about the next jump: what are the odds of FOUR? Seriously, I'd see about a new packer, and don't let it getcha down. Cheers! -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIREFLYR 0 #5 December 2, 2003 MY ADVICE: Learn to pack your own rig QUICK! ....and thank your rigger for doing such a lovely job with your reserves!"One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #6 December 2, 2003 Check yourself...what the hell have you done to upset your packer ??.....or does you packer wear dark glasses and have a white cane ?? Its all in the pack job ... Glad to hear you is fine....what an introduction to this wonderful sport....stick with it...statistically speaking you aint due a mal for a long while now !!( unless you keep the same packer) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michaelflying 0 #7 December 2, 2003 Was it the same packer if so someone should find out what he is doing or maybe he is on the rigger's pay role??!!www.skydivekzn.co.za Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cruzlite 0 #8 December 2, 2003 Congradulations are in order! As a student you have proved your ability to handle a bad situation, not once but twice. My two reserve rides were nearly back to back- (floating rip cord I never could locate [Martin-Baker handle]) I think this experience reinforces a most valuable lesson; "When its time to deploy, think it will malfunction- then you will be ready if it does."--Red Kostiba Best lu7ck D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #9 December 2, 2003 actually... and i'm pretty sure this is true.... after my mal this season, i was drinkin' a beer with some of the old timers, trying to shake it off.... one of them started telling me that they had two reserve rides in one day. that in itself was fairly shocking. BUT then, his buddy piped up and told us all about the time he had THREE malfunctions in one day. no joke. i think he only packed one of them. if i remember correctly, he was instructing that day and was very busy. he would come down off of one load, grab a rig and take the next student load up. talk about BAD luck! hang in there... luck is luck. sometimes it's good, and well, sometimes it's not so good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greghoss 0 #10 December 2, 2003 Thanks for all of your comments. My instructor said it was pretty rare I was just curious if anyone else had experienced this. I guess 2 cuts in 7 jumps isn't the best % out there. My instructor/rigger are absolutly awsome (although I do owe another moose tracks ice cream). He gave me a good debrief and also showed me how lineovers are packed etc. I will say that the 2nd one was a piece of cake compared to the first one. The day of the first one I had just read an older article on dropzone.com by michelle about a lineover on her AFF jump. My first thought was "wow, just like the picture in training" followed closely by "wow.. this is exactly what happened to Michelle in her article." Then I remember seeing blue, green, blue then reserve. My 2nd one didn't spin at all and I spent about 10 seconds trying to fix it(even though I really don't know how to fix one) I pulled and yanked on every line there was. I even though I could pull myself up to the canopy. That though lasted 2 seconds and one failed attempt to climb up the lines. I chopped and gave a good ole southern Yehaa. I'll let y'all know if I get 3 in row this Sunday. Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #11 December 2, 2003 QuoteI chopped and gave a good ole southern Yehaa. That has been my skydiving way of handling any situation that has the potential to be really scary or really fun: Yeehaaaaw! I chopped yehaaed on jump 15. Always makes my throat sore for a day, tho. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lug 4 #12 December 2, 2003 Two lineovers back to back that’s a bummer it happened but you did the right thing. Your back to back lineovers are defiantly a deviation from the norm but is sounds like you had the opportunity to gain some insight about the lineover. That’s some education many will never get. I agree with Jeremyneas in you should find a different packer, or more properly said, ask for a student rig packed by a different packer. Being a student I think you have the right. If this happens again, hopefully it won’t, find a different DZ , but don’t give up.Memento Mori Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greghoss 0 #13 December 2, 2003 I actually watched the packer pack the chute just as I've watched him pack many others. I also would have NO PROBLEM jumping a rig he has packed and probably will on Sunday. The DZO has always preached safety safety safety (one reason I have brought many different groups there for their tandems). Heck, the reserve probably needed repacking anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkySlut 0 #14 December 2, 2003 I saw Hunter Roberts (freedom of flight freefly school) have back to back reserve rides in Deland. Yep, its odd, but not unheard of... There maybe packing issues (my opinion) or you could be lucky, so you may want to try the lottery...or, quite possibly...I have seen a few students cut away perfectly good canopies before...one of them said they had a "double lineover"...it was on his hop and pop and I exited just after him to watch and give a him a flyby for a congratulations...so I couldnt have been closer seeing a student cutaway a perfectly good canopy. Are you sure that they were indeed lineovers??? If they were, congratulations...you saved yourself...twice...you are probably more current on cutaways than the majority of the instructors on the DZ!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greghoss 0 #15 December 3, 2003 you may want to try the lottery I actually went out and got two lottery tickets the next day. No luck. I guess I'll have to buy used gear now. Also, the canopys looked like perfect bow-ties. The 2nd one I had lots of time & altitute to look. The 1st one started spinning as soon as I made eye contact with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #16 December 3, 2003 there was a guy here last week who had back to back reserve rides on back to back wingsuit jumps. The rigger packed his reserve between jumps for him to. That had to be an expensive day for himYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #17 December 3, 2003 I had one mal and cut-away one evening and next morning. I was a bit tense on the next jump. Why oh why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites