jmpnkramer 0 #26 December 11, 2003 Let me ask you this Bill; Who signs your logbook? Laters, KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!! The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoShitThereIWas 0 #27 December 11, 2003 Wait Troy!!! First of all, I miss you too. (But I am moving to Missouri and that is not too far from Illinois) but I didn't mean to give Perris a bad rap or for you to interpret it that way. Perris was a great drop zone with great people there. I just wanted you to be prepared to have a logbook in case they ask to see it because they did ask to see mine. I did think their waivering process was a bit much from the skydiver perspective but if that avoids legal proceedings for the DZ to stay in business I am all for that. They do have a very "thorough" waiver process but it is not that big of a deal. I certainly would not choose to not experience Perris just because of the waiver. But thanks for being so protective Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #28 December 11, 2003 Can't bite my tongue any longer. Perris sucks. Biggist bunch of anals I've meet at any DZI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #29 December 11, 2003 >Let me ask you this Bill; Who signs your logbook? No one, any more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #30 December 11, 2003 QuoteCan't bite my tongue any longer. Perris sucks. Biggist bunch of anals I've meet at any DZ Wow, that's pretty strong! Care to comment how you really feel? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #31 December 11, 2003 QuoteWell, that's all the info I need. I am too old to go through bullshit from kids in manifest. There are plenty of places to go without going to Perris. Dude, it's not that bad, and in fact their manifest is very professional. Well, you can always go over the hill and hang out with us at 'Snore. Marsha will hook you up, and she's cool, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #32 December 11, 2003 QuoteCan't bite my tongue any longer. Perris sucks. Biggist bunch of anals I've meet at any DZ Who stepped on your dick?My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmpnkramer 0 #33 December 11, 2003 QuoteNo one, any more. Exactly. That is the problem with the girl checking the logbook. She argued with me that it needed to be signed. Then when I had my girlfriend sign she was being an ASS and asking if she was on the jump. That is the problem with the person who checked my logbook. She needs to gain knowledge because I was probably skydiving when she was sucking her thumb. I did not catch her name but she was very rude! First impressions ya know. The rest of the check in process is standard and had no problem with it. I have seen the video thingy on the west coast before. That was O.K. because you can make it silly. I just do not need some person who probably does not know anything about the SIM arguing with me. Laters, KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #34 December 11, 2003 Everyone step back from the DZ.com and have a chill pill. Perris has a lot to protect some great facilities, aircraft, wind tunnel, ect., and if they want to be anal in how they go about protecting so be it. If someone was having a bad day when they checked log books, or maybe having an unwarrented ego trip, then oh well, bring up your complaint with management. I'll bet Jana, Pat, Dan BC or Melanie will listen, and respond by fixing the problem! Do big deal. I have no problem providing the information required by any DV, from those that just want your money, to those that want your birth certificate and a DNA sample. It's such a small inconvenience, it's not even worth worring about. Unless of course your ego can't handle the inspection.** **directed at no one in particular, don't take it personal, if you do it ain't my fault, your mileage may vary, objects in mirror may be larger than they appear, caution contents may be hot)---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites canopywhore 0 #35 December 11, 2003 I've been to Perris and Elsinore, the sign in is the same at both. It usually takes anywhere from 20-40 mins tops. Don't worry its well worth the hassle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PlayDough 0 #36 December 12, 2003 My 1 experience outside of Skydive San Diego, was at Perris. I attended the swoop competition just a couple months ago. I must admit... with as busy as it was I thought it was gonna be very difficult to get airborne. It did take me a great deal of time... and a pretty decent run around. However I had a special circumstances hendering my progress. Having just received my A liscense... I had not received my card yet. I didn't have my proficiency card handy... however they looked me up online and I was on my way. At square 1 I found out I needed a reserve pin check. I was not aware I needed this to jump... so after about 40 minutes... they contacted a rigger to do this for me. All in all they did process me at a very busy time... and got me in the air. Now that I have more than trippled my jump # and I'm seeking to explore other skies -- I look forward to returning to Perris. Skydive San Diego is an incredible place with great people. Perris seemed to offer a more impersonal atmosphere, however the facilities and recourses are very nice indeed. It's definitely a place to visit -- and once your checked in your good to go. It's for your safety ever bit as much for them. Quite honestly... I've not met a skydiver or someone involved that I've not really cared for. Some have had their rough edges but don't we all. I'm sure the lady you encuontered may have had a bad day much like it seems you had. I must say I do prefer the view at my home DZ though Chance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites webracer 0 #37 December 12, 2003 Jen, I will most likely avoid Perris, although I had no plans to visit there anyway (in the near future). I choose to take my business where it is appreciated. It seems to me that Perris doesn't want it, and thus the point of this thread. Perris' lawyer is trying to justify his existence, and they are listening. As far as facilities, you know I hang at the best facilities in the world, Perris may be good, but not as good as home. As far as you moving...THAT'S GREAT!!! I'll go through some hassle to see you down there. See you soon buddy!Troy I am now free to exercise my downward mobility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rmsmith 1 #38 December 12, 2003 All that is legally required by the FAA is an in-date reserve and your name on a passenger manifest; beyond that it's just smoke and mirrors. Lodi up near the Bay Area might offer the atmosphere you desire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #39 December 12, 2003 does USPA have currency requirements? and Perris is very up front about its requirements. http://www.skydiveperris.com/advanced/requirements.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #40 December 12, 2003 QuoteI haven't jumped at Perris, but a friend recently went there and said he had to jump through hoops to get waivered and such. He said he had to watch an hour of videos and speeches to be able to jump. Is this true? Granted, he has slightly less than 500 jumps, and no instructional ratings. He said they wanted his protrack, logbook, USPA card, rig, etc. to check it all out. If it's this much hassle, I'd like to know so I don't plan on visiting there. I was there in October. It takes about an hour to get through. They say it's quicker the second time.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #41 December 12, 2003 QuoteIf you are a USPA licensed skydiver, you'll find the waiver procedure no more or less difficult than at most other drop zones. Yes, you have to have a gear check to make sure your rig is in date. Yes, you have to have your USPA membership paid up. I believe both of these are part of the USPA Group Member requirements. I've never heard of them asking for a logbook, but I've had other drop zones ask me for mine. I've -never- heard of anyone asking for a ProTrack and I'm 99.9999% certain Perris hasn't started any such trend. They asked for my log book. I had to scurry around getting signatures to prove I was current. Fortunately many of the folks I jump with a lot were there (POPS meet). And it's the only place I've had to view a video and be video'd signing the waiver. It's the most time consuming procedure of any DZ I've visited in the US (one in England took longer 'cos I had to join the BPA first) Of course, all that grass compensates for the hassle.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #42 December 12, 2003 Quote>Let me ask you this Bill; Who signs your logbook? No one, any more. How do you prove currency to the Perris folks, then, like I had to? Different rules for locals?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rmsmith 1 #43 December 12, 2003 QuoteHe also said he had to get video'd reading a statement (absolving of liability). Doesn't the Geneva Convention have something to say about this kind of treatment? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #44 December 12, 2003 QuoteHow do you prove currency to the Perris folks, then, like I had to? Different rules for locals? The manifest computer tells them when a person jumped last at Perris, when the person's reserve repack is due and when the person's USPA membership expires. As long as your last jump there was within the currency requirements for your license, your reserve is still in date, your USPA membership hasn't expired and you have at least one jump worth of money on your account.... you're good to go. Doesn't matter if you're a local or visiting. I was a Perris local. I hadn't jumped there in about 8 months once. I had to show them my logbook to prove that I'd jumped within the 6 month D license currency requirement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #45 December 12, 2003 you can fill out the waiver while the video is playing. Takes about the same amount of time it would take to just fill out the waiver. Someone at Perris told me the video thing was prompted by someone suing Elsinore. They just want to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jdhill 0 #46 December 12, 2003 QuoteI've -never- heard of anyone asking for a ProTrack and I'm 99.9999% certain Perris hasn't started any such trend. When I was out there last year, I did not carry my log book, my desktop computer would not fit in my gear bag... so they asked to see my protrack... fired it up, and xerox'd the screen (glad the date function was still working then)... On the whole, I did not find it to be any big deal to check in, no more so than any other DZ I've been to. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #47 December 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteHow do you prove currency to the Perris folks, then, like I had to? Different rules for locals? The manifest computer tells them when a person jumped last at Perris, when the person's reserve repack is due and when the person's USPA membership expires. As long as your last jump there was within the currency requirements for your license, your reserve is still in date, your USPA membership hasn't expired and you have at least one jump worth of money on your account.... you're good to go. Doesn't matter if you're a local or visiting. I was a Perris local. I hadn't jumped there in about 8 months once. I had to show them my logbook to prove that I'd jumped within the 6 month D license currency requirement. I'm a pilot, and the FAA allows pilots to self-certify their currency. USPA doesn't require signatures except for ratings and licenses. Only Perris has ever wanted to see my log book signed by someone else when I waivered.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #48 December 13, 2003 QuoteOnly Perris has ever wanted to see my log book signed by someone else when I waivered. If you ever jump Elsinore manifest will want to see your logbook as part of the waiver process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #49 December 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteOnly Perris has ever wanted to see my log book signed by someone else when I waivered. If you ever jump Elsinore manifest will want to see your logbook as part of the waiver process. Do they want to see signatures in the log book? I no longer bother to get signatures since I want no more licenses or ratings. Perris insisted that the jumps were signed. This goes beyond any USPA or FAA requirement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #50 December 14, 2003 QuoteDo they want to see signatures in the log book? Yes, similar to what Perris requires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 2 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
mjosparky 4 #32 December 11, 2003 QuoteCan't bite my tongue any longer. Perris sucks. Biggist bunch of anals I've meet at any DZ Who stepped on your dick?My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #33 December 11, 2003 QuoteNo one, any more. Exactly. That is the problem with the girl checking the logbook. She argued with me that it needed to be signed. Then when I had my girlfriend sign she was being an ASS and asking if she was on the jump. That is the problem with the person who checked my logbook. She needs to gain knowledge because I was probably skydiving when she was sucking her thumb. I did not catch her name but she was very rude! First impressions ya know. The rest of the check in process is standard and had no problem with it. I have seen the video thingy on the west coast before. That was O.K. because you can make it silly. I just do not need some person who probably does not know anything about the SIM arguing with me. Laters, KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #34 December 11, 2003 Everyone step back from the DZ.com and have a chill pill. Perris has a lot to protect some great facilities, aircraft, wind tunnel, ect., and if they want to be anal in how they go about protecting so be it. If someone was having a bad day when they checked log books, or maybe having an unwarrented ego trip, then oh well, bring up your complaint with management. I'll bet Jana, Pat, Dan BC or Melanie will listen, and respond by fixing the problem! Do big deal. I have no problem providing the information required by any DV, from those that just want your money, to those that want your birth certificate and a DNA sample. It's such a small inconvenience, it's not even worth worring about. Unless of course your ego can't handle the inspection.** **directed at no one in particular, don't take it personal, if you do it ain't my fault, your mileage may vary, objects in mirror may be larger than they appear, caution contents may be hot)---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canopywhore 0 #35 December 11, 2003 I've been to Perris and Elsinore, the sign in is the same at both. It usually takes anywhere from 20-40 mins tops. Don't worry its well worth the hassle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PlayDough 0 #36 December 12, 2003 My 1 experience outside of Skydive San Diego, was at Perris. I attended the swoop competition just a couple months ago. I must admit... with as busy as it was I thought it was gonna be very difficult to get airborne. It did take me a great deal of time... and a pretty decent run around. However I had a special circumstances hendering my progress. Having just received my A liscense... I had not received my card yet. I didn't have my proficiency card handy... however they looked me up online and I was on my way. At square 1 I found out I needed a reserve pin check. I was not aware I needed this to jump... so after about 40 minutes... they contacted a rigger to do this for me. All in all they did process me at a very busy time... and got me in the air. Now that I have more than trippled my jump # and I'm seeking to explore other skies -- I look forward to returning to Perris. Skydive San Diego is an incredible place with great people. Perris seemed to offer a more impersonal atmosphere, however the facilities and recourses are very nice indeed. It's definitely a place to visit -- and once your checked in your good to go. It's for your safety ever bit as much for them. Quite honestly... I've not met a skydiver or someone involved that I've not really cared for. Some have had their rough edges but don't we all. I'm sure the lady you encuontered may have had a bad day much like it seems you had. I must say I do prefer the view at my home DZ though Chance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webracer 0 #37 December 12, 2003 Jen, I will most likely avoid Perris, although I had no plans to visit there anyway (in the near future). I choose to take my business where it is appreciated. It seems to me that Perris doesn't want it, and thus the point of this thread. Perris' lawyer is trying to justify his existence, and they are listening. As far as facilities, you know I hang at the best facilities in the world, Perris may be good, but not as good as home. As far as you moving...THAT'S GREAT!!! I'll go through some hassle to see you down there. See you soon buddy!Troy I am now free to exercise my downward mobility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #38 December 12, 2003 All that is legally required by the FAA is an in-date reserve and your name on a passenger manifest; beyond that it's just smoke and mirrors. Lodi up near the Bay Area might offer the atmosphere you desire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #39 December 12, 2003 does USPA have currency requirements? and Perris is very up front about its requirements. http://www.skydiveperris.com/advanced/requirements.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #40 December 12, 2003 QuoteI haven't jumped at Perris, but a friend recently went there and said he had to jump through hoops to get waivered and such. He said he had to watch an hour of videos and speeches to be able to jump. Is this true? Granted, he has slightly less than 500 jumps, and no instructional ratings. He said they wanted his protrack, logbook, USPA card, rig, etc. to check it all out. If it's this much hassle, I'd like to know so I don't plan on visiting there. I was there in October. It takes about an hour to get through. They say it's quicker the second time.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #41 December 12, 2003 QuoteIf you are a USPA licensed skydiver, you'll find the waiver procedure no more or less difficult than at most other drop zones. Yes, you have to have a gear check to make sure your rig is in date. Yes, you have to have your USPA membership paid up. I believe both of these are part of the USPA Group Member requirements. I've never heard of them asking for a logbook, but I've had other drop zones ask me for mine. I've -never- heard of anyone asking for a ProTrack and I'm 99.9999% certain Perris hasn't started any such trend. They asked for my log book. I had to scurry around getting signatures to prove I was current. Fortunately many of the folks I jump with a lot were there (POPS meet). And it's the only place I've had to view a video and be video'd signing the waiver. It's the most time consuming procedure of any DZ I've visited in the US (one in England took longer 'cos I had to join the BPA first) Of course, all that grass compensates for the hassle.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #42 December 12, 2003 Quote>Let me ask you this Bill; Who signs your logbook? No one, any more. How do you prove currency to the Perris folks, then, like I had to? Different rules for locals?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #43 December 12, 2003 QuoteHe also said he had to get video'd reading a statement (absolving of liability). Doesn't the Geneva Convention have something to say about this kind of treatment? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #44 December 12, 2003 QuoteHow do you prove currency to the Perris folks, then, like I had to? Different rules for locals? The manifest computer tells them when a person jumped last at Perris, when the person's reserve repack is due and when the person's USPA membership expires. As long as your last jump there was within the currency requirements for your license, your reserve is still in date, your USPA membership hasn't expired and you have at least one jump worth of money on your account.... you're good to go. Doesn't matter if you're a local or visiting. I was a Perris local. I hadn't jumped there in about 8 months once. I had to show them my logbook to prove that I'd jumped within the 6 month D license currency requirement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #45 December 12, 2003 you can fill out the waiver while the video is playing. Takes about the same amount of time it would take to just fill out the waiver. Someone at Perris told me the video thing was prompted by someone suing Elsinore. They just want to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #46 December 12, 2003 QuoteI've -never- heard of anyone asking for a ProTrack and I'm 99.9999% certain Perris hasn't started any such trend. When I was out there last year, I did not carry my log book, my desktop computer would not fit in my gear bag... so they asked to see my protrack... fired it up, and xerox'd the screen (glad the date function was still working then)... On the whole, I did not find it to be any big deal to check in, no more so than any other DZ I've been to. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #47 December 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteHow do you prove currency to the Perris folks, then, like I had to? Different rules for locals? The manifest computer tells them when a person jumped last at Perris, when the person's reserve repack is due and when the person's USPA membership expires. As long as your last jump there was within the currency requirements for your license, your reserve is still in date, your USPA membership hasn't expired and you have at least one jump worth of money on your account.... you're good to go. Doesn't matter if you're a local or visiting. I was a Perris local. I hadn't jumped there in about 8 months once. I had to show them my logbook to prove that I'd jumped within the 6 month D license currency requirement. I'm a pilot, and the FAA allows pilots to self-certify their currency. USPA doesn't require signatures except for ratings and licenses. Only Perris has ever wanted to see my log book signed by someone else when I waivered.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #48 December 13, 2003 QuoteOnly Perris has ever wanted to see my log book signed by someone else when I waivered. If you ever jump Elsinore manifest will want to see your logbook as part of the waiver process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #49 December 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteOnly Perris has ever wanted to see my log book signed by someone else when I waivered. If you ever jump Elsinore manifest will want to see your logbook as part of the waiver process. Do they want to see signatures in the log book? I no longer bother to get signatures since I want no more licenses or ratings. Perris insisted that the jumps were signed. This goes beyond any USPA or FAA requirement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #50 December 14, 2003 QuoteDo they want to see signatures in the log book? Yes, similar to what Perris requires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
