Perris hoop course?

[webracer 0]

I haven't jumped at Perris, but a friend recently went there and said he had to jump through hoops to get waivered and such.
He said he had to watch an hour of videos and speeches to be able to jump.
Is this true? Granted, he has slightly less than 500 jumps, and no instructional ratings. He said they wanted his protrack, logbook, USPA card, rig, etc. to check it all out.
If it's this much hassle, I'd like to know so I don't plan on visiting there.

Troy

I am now free to exercise my downward mobility.

[BartsDaddy 7]

Go to Elsinore there just over the hill from Perris and they don't make you jump thru hoops

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[skybytch 273]

I think your friend was exaggerating a bit.

It takes less than an hour total. Watch about a ten minute video at the school (you can initial all the paragraphs and fill out the personal info on the waiver while you watch it), get videoed signing the waiver, take your gear to Sq1 for a gear check, show your USPA card at manifest, give them money.

It's a bit more involved if you don't have a license, aren't current for your license level or don't have a current USPA membership.

[quade 4]

If you are a USPA licensed skydiver, you'll find the waiver procedure no more or less difficult than at most other drop zones.

Yes, you have to have a gear check to make sure your rig is in date.
Yes, you have to have your USPA membership paid up.

I believe both of these are part of the USPA Group Member requirements.

I've never heard of them asking for a logbook, but I've had other drop zones ask me for mine.

I've -never- heard of anyone asking for a ProTrack and I'm 99.9999% certain Perris hasn't started any such trend.

quade -
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[webracer 0]

Ok, this sounds normal (and acceptable).
It sounded unreasonable, but the source is a minister (really), and I had to check it out.
Hopefully a Perris officeperson will post reply and clear it up further.

Troy

I am now free to exercise my downward mobility.

[webracer 0]

He also said he had to get video'd reading a statement (absolving of liability).
Perris' lawyer must have stock in BASF

Being that he's a minister, they may have taken extra precautions to protect from the big guy. hehe

Troy

I am now free to exercise my downward mobility.

[PhreeZone 20]

I did the waiver in May and it was a bit different reading the waiver back to the camera, but nothing too different then any where else. They never even knew I had a protrack so they did'nt ask for it and they only wanted to see if I was current via USPA jump numbers.

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[webracer 0]

I'm sure that in the near future, some dzs will also be including wingloading/canopy choice. While this will suck for some, it will not affect the majority.
I may/may not pass any scrutiny.

Troy

I am now free to exercise my downward mobility.

[Nightingale 0]

if his logbook wasn't up to date, maybe they asked for his protrack to verify currency?

I had to read into the camera for both Perris and Elsinore.

[webracer 0]

Not possible he WASN'T current. I jumped with him a week prior and after.
he also has me sign his logbook
Maybe he had the short straw...

Troy

I am now free to exercise my downward mobility.

[johnnypilot 0]

What is your friends story? Did he have his logbook up to date with all the signatures and dates? If not they have to some backtracking to see if your logbook is legit. This protects them legally so that they dont get screwed if you are lying. I used to work Manifest at Perris and i was the one that would send all the Perris newbies to the school to get their waivers all filled out and legalized. They came back to me within 30 mins. As long as you have all your shit squared away you are good to go, and you definitely dont have to jump through hoops.

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[Squeak 17]

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If you are a USPA licensed skydiver, you'll find the waiver procedure no more or less difficult than at most other drop zones.

Yes, you have to have a gear check to make sure your rig is in date.
Yes, you have to have your USPA membership paid up.

I believe both of these are part of the USPA Group Member requirements.

So what's the go for overseas visitors.
Peris is on my wishlist of DZs to visit.?

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[mr2mk1g 10]

When I jumped there (international visitor from UK) I had no problems... some elements of the "check in" proceedure are a lot LESS stringent than the checks you will go through if you go to any DZ in the UK.

Watch a video with a dual purpose. First its a DZ orientation brief (really should have one wherever you go). Seccond its a word from their friendly lawyer waiving all their liability (ok you don't get this in the UK cos its illegal).

They check you're licence and that your log book says the same # of jumps as you do.

Next you have to initial every paragraph of a 20 page waiver (again illegal in the UK but hell... you're in California, what do you expect?). You now have to look into camera and state your name and the date and say you've signed and that Perris are'nt liable for shit (again illegal in the UK so doesnt happen here).

You then take your rig to Square 1 where they check the reserve is in date and thats it. There's where the UK is more stringent. You're rig is gonna be gone over with a tooth comb in England, and you're likely to be quized on your experiance and how appropriate your choice of cannopy is.

All in I found it no more difficult than the normal check in procedure I have done about 20 times in the UK. It takes maybe half an hour and its only a little more paperwork than what you'd have to fill in for next of kin info etc anyway.

[jmpnkramer 0]

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Yes, you have to have a gear check to make sure your rig is in date.
Yes, you have to have your USPA membership paid up.

I believe both of these are part of the USPA Group Member requirements.

I've never heard of them asking for a logbook, but I've had other drop zones ask me for mine.

No problem with the gear check at all these are definitel requirements.

The problem I did have was with the person getting obnoxious about my log book. It was bad enough that TSA lost my Pro-Track for me. She got ignorant about my book not being signed. I am not sure how others do things but I have not had my logbook signed in so long I have forgotten.

Basically I was not very happy with some of the customer service at Perris.

The Waiver was a little different but that is the way it is on the West Coast so that was not a problem. I laughed that off.
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[Nightingale 0]

how are they supposed to know you're current without an updated logbook?

[ladyskydiver 0]

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If you are a USPA licensed skydiver, you'll find the waiver procedure no more or less difficult than at most other drop zones.

Yes, you have to have a gear check to make sure your rig is in date.
Yes, you have to have your USPA membership paid up.

I believe both of these are part of the USPA Group Member requirements.

I've never heard of them asking for a logbook, but I've had other drop zones ask me for mine.

Hi, Quade!

I've jumped at 3 California DZ's. 2 of them I had no issues at all getting checked in. The USPA membership, waivers and gear check are standard and no biggie - although California is the first place that I've been to that videos the waivers - again, no biggie.

It took about 45 minutes to get signed in at Perris - not a real biggie, but an annoyance - most of the time was due to the logbooks. Perris is definitely more anal about things. The individual at Perris when looking at a log book for a D licensed skydiver did not know the USPA requirements and believed that all jumps needed to be signed. According to the USPA, once an individual achieves a D license or any instructional ratings they desire, they do not need to get their log books signed. The attitude of the individual that we dealt with when getting checked in, combined with the lack of knowledge about a D licensed skydiver's logbook was an issue. Although I enjoyed seeing fellow DZ.commers there, I will probably not jump at Perris again and will ask the DZ.commers to meet at another DZ or go out meet later for beverages the next time I come to Cali.

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[jmpnkramer 0]

It was up to date with jumps Just not signed there little lady.

They only need to be signed for license and Ratings.

Also if need be with as big a DZ as Perris is they can call back to my Home DZ and verify that I jump Every Freakin Weekend. I mean I do live in Florida.

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The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!

"HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!"
"Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES

[webracer 0]

I don't travel with my logbook. I do have a protrack, and they can call SDC to see when my last jump was.
I have AFFI on my USPA card, that oughta be enough.
I do still keep a logbook, but lots of my friends don't. I keep one in Jumptrack and hardcopy, partly for liability for AFP jumps, where I log the happenings of the jump, and my story at the time, so if a twisted ankle resulted in a lawsuit later, I will be able to recall the situation.
Back on the topic, I have now heard of a few folks that get hassled about logbooks. Anyone show up without one? What do they do then?
I don't have any problem with the rig going to sq1, better someone inspects the rigs that knows what they're doing. I don't have to worry about mine, but I do worry about some that I see out there.

Troy

I am now free to exercise my downward mobility.

[jmpnkramer 0]

I do have a protrack***

So did I until TSA Somehow made it disappear from my bag. I did not notice until I was at my final destination.

I did have with me and do keep a logbook. I just get behind sometimes. She was making a stink about it not being signed. I am sure she was not a jumper. When my girlfriend went to sign it she got snotty about whether or not she was on the jump.

Whatever though, that is the way Perris wants to be then fine. Everybody has their way.

I like the fact that you write the AFF dives down in case of some pathetic soul trying to acuse you of something because they did not listen to you. Very Smart!

Laters,

KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!

The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!

"HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!"
"Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES

[NoShitThereIWas 0]

Troy if you go to Perris take everything. Great DZ and visit the Bomb Shelter, but yeah, getting waivered was a pain in the ass.

They wanted to see my logbook which I had but gave me a hard time cuz my last jump was not signed. They sort of questioned exactly how many jumps I had. I tried to show them my AFF-I rating card and they still wanted to know how many jump numbers I had and that my last jump was signed. I did manage to get through the process but yeah, be prepared for the waiver and hopefully it won't be that big a pain for you. I don't remember being recorded ...

And, overall, the people were very cool and it was a very nice place to jump. And the Bomb Shelter rocks.

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[Shark 0]

Ya know, if you didn't get hassled, I never would have met you at manifest. Well, maybe not until later, anyway. Jana was hassling me, too, and I was just there to pick some stuff up!

[webracer 0]

Hey Jen,
They hassled you?
Well, that's all the info I need. I am too old to go through bullshit from kids in manifest.
There are plenty of places to go without going to Perris.
Maybe I'll see DanBC somewhere so I can voice my displeasure in person.
Anyway, I'll not likely go to Perris because of their poor service and bullshit checking in. Hassling people with "D" license is uncalled for. It should not matter to them exactly how many jumps you have, just that you're current. Sounds like some youngins are taking libertys without management supervision.
I miss you Jen!

Troy

I am now free to exercise my downward mobility.

[flyhi 24]

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He also said he had to get video'd reading a statement (absolving of liability).

So in southern California, even the waiver process turns into a screen test? I have been to 16 different dropzones (3 in northern CA) and never heard of doing this. Unfortunately, I do understand the purpose without an explanation. A sign of the times.

Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics.

[jumperconway 0]

I went to Perris for the POPs world record without a log book, haven't kept one for about 1100 jumps or so. They didn't ask for my protrack, just filled out a copy of a log book page with my jump #'s and date of last jump. The video is no big deal either and educational about the DZ landing areas and where to avoid. The people there are extremely nice and helpful although a little anal about flying over the runway. Other than not having good packing area, it's a pleasant DZ to go to. Melanie ex-Conatser is a real sweetheart also making you really feel at home!

[billvon 2,995]

>Maybe I'll see DanBC somewhere so I can voice my displeasure in person.

I'd like to see that . . .

>Anyway, I'll not likely go to Perris because of their poor service and
>bullshit checking in.

What bullshit did you have checking in?

> Hassling people with "D" license is uncalled for. It should not matter
> to them exactly how many jumps you have, just that you're current.

Every DZ I've ever been to (with the possible exception of the IPC) has "hassled" me - asked me for ID, license, packing data card, seal, logbook, made me fill out an 8 page waiver etc. That was true back when I had 10 jumps. It's true now that I have 3600. It's how most drop zones protect themselves from skydivers who sue them.

>Sounds like some youngins are taking libertys without management supervision.

Since Melanie is physically _in_ manifest a lot, and Pat is there most weekend days - I don't think so.