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QuoteWith your rig lying on the ground, leave the pin cover closed then pull on the bridle. Does the rig move before the pin is pulled?
Yes. I can lift the lower end up an inch or two before the pin is extracted. Is that a problem?
Anyway, given the weight of the rig, this puts the force neede to extract the pin somewhere below 10lbs. A 26" pc should probably work fine even at very low speeds.
Quotehey mjosparky, out of curiousity how long does it take your canopy to open? I notice you're jumping a canopy that is designed for accuracy (correct?).
My canopy takes ~600 feet to open depending on how I packed it.
A canopy opening on a C&P will be far different then at terminal on any canopy. I jump a variety of canopies, both round and ram air. Since you have read my profile you notice I do some test jumping and have for over 20 years. Many test plans call for you to exit at 2000 to 2500, take a 3 sec. delay and pull. Until you understand more about how and what makes a parachute work, it is best that you continue to pull above 3000. A wise man once said, "It is better to be still and thought of a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt".
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jerry81 10
update; I actually got to jump my new Voodoo today.
4 jumps, one of them a h&p from around 3k. I didn't do a clear and pull (actually, I did a head down exit), but it was definitely a sub-terminal deployment. No towing pc, even though the pin flap was tucked in, but the riser covers actually did stay closed a bit longer- the canopy was about halfway open before I felt them release. I steered through the opening with my hips and it felt no different than usual, although the top of the rig was pushing into my neck before the riser covers popped open.
Terminal deployments were all nice, perhaps even a bit softer than on the Wings, although they might have felt that way because of the custom-fitted harness.
To conclude; I might leave the riser covers open if I do another hop&pop in the near future, although I suspect they stayed closed because they're still a bit too stiff. Hopefully, this problem will go away after a couple more jumps.
4 jumps, one of them a h&p from around 3k. I didn't do a clear and pull (actually, I did a head down exit), but it was definitely a sub-terminal deployment. No towing pc, even though the pin flap was tucked in, but the riser covers actually did stay closed a bit longer- the canopy was about halfway open before I felt them release. I steered through the opening with my hips and it felt no different than usual, although the top of the rig was pushing into my neck before the riser covers popped open.
Terminal deployments were all nice, perhaps even a bit softer than on the Wings, although they might have felt that way because of the custom-fitted harness.
To conclude; I might leave the riser covers open if I do another hop&pop in the near future, although I suspect they stayed closed because they're still a bit too stiff. Hopefully, this problem will go away after a couple more jumps.
velo90 0
Right on there, pulling low is just making things more difficult for you.
I did 5 jumps today, all from 5000ft, out of a Cessna 182. most of us were pulling between 3.5 - 4k. Why? Flying canopy is also fun
I have made a number of very low exits, but I prefer to pull high. Low exits mean more stress.
I did 5 jumps today, all from 5000ft, out of a Cessna 182. most of us were pulling between 3.5 - 4k. Why? Flying canopy is also fun
I have made a number of very low exits, but I prefer to pull high. Low exits mean more stress.
tbrown 26
What is the lowest you have pulled? A C&P from 2000 is safe and fairly common.
I'm with you Mike, although C&P's from 2 grand don't seem very common anymore. Most of the "hop & pops" I've seen on the ride up are somewhere between 5 and 6 grand and leave me thinking "that's a hop & pop ??". I remember speed star teams making practice exits at 5500 ft... The worst thing about it is that a lot of these people are students, or going for their A license, and the thought of getting out as "low" as 5 grand really scares them and I can't help but feel a little sorry for them. I always make a point of telling them how NICE it will be and that they'll like it and shouldn't worry.
The gear nowadays is totally safe for stepping out at 2 grand. I haven't done a 2 grand exit in over 20 years and that was on my old rig, but I do remember that my pilot chute went out BEHIND me in the relative wind, rather than straight up, and that I swung below the canopy in kind of an arc as it opened. As BillVon points out, an exit at 2G gives you as much time as a terminal opening from about 2800 ft or so. I think it's just that the ground is bigger and you have more time to think about it looking down on jump run.
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grega 0
What no more site seeing with your new rig?
I'm glad that you finally jumped it.
I'm glad that you finally jumped it.
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Quotebut I do remember that my pilot chute went out BEHIND me in the relative wind, rather than straight up, and that I swung below the canopy in kind of an arc as it opened. As BillVon points out, an exit at 2G gives you as much time as a terminal opening from about 2800 ft or so.
Tom, this is the point if feel some of the newer jumper do not understand. You can pull off the step of a C-182 doing 100 mph at 500 ft. and be open by 400 ft. If you were at terminal at 500 ft. and pull, well you are fucked. I am not saying anyone should do C&P's from 2000 ft. but they should learn their equipment well enough to know it can be done safely.
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andy2 0
[QUOTE]Opening at 2K on a hop n' pop is quite a bit different than deploying at terminal. [/QUOTE]
Lol, obviously.
[QUOTE]As for snivelly canopies, my Stiletto usually takes 500-700 feet to open. On a hop n pop I'm usually in the saddle about 150 feet after exit. Granted, I pull in a smidge of rear-risers during the opening, but it still opens smoothly and softly. [/QUOTE]
OK, so you're at 1,850 feet with a parachute that is beginning to malfunction after its finished opening. That's 350 feet above my harddeck. Maybe your harddeck is lower than mine, fine. I fly a sabre, it eats up a good bit of altitude in a hard diving turn. I wonder if your stiletto eats up more.
I don't like the sounds of a parachute malfunction starting at 1,850 feet. But like you said its all about personal comfort level. I'll do a 300' BASE jump before I'll C/P from 2 grand.
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Lol, obviously.
[QUOTE]As for snivelly canopies, my Stiletto usually takes 500-700 feet to open. On a hop n pop I'm usually in the saddle about 150 feet after exit. Granted, I pull in a smidge of rear-risers during the opening, but it still opens smoothly and softly. [/QUOTE]
OK, so you're at 1,850 feet with a parachute that is beginning to malfunction after its finished opening. That's 350 feet above my harddeck. Maybe your harddeck is lower than mine, fine. I fly a sabre, it eats up a good bit of altitude in a hard diving turn. I wonder if your stiletto eats up more.
I don't like the sounds of a parachute malfunction starting at 1,850 feet. But like you said its all about personal comfort level. I'll do a 300' BASE jump before I'll C/P from 2 grand.
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QuoteI am not saying anyone should do C&P's from 2000 ft. but they should learn their equipment well enough to know it can be done safely.
Sparky
That's it right there. When I was working on my Pro-rating, I was jumping from 2,000 feet under a Sabre 210. I knew my equipment and how long it was going to take to open. Knock on wood, I didn't have one problem with any of the openings. Now, one of the exits, that's a different story, but it's all good.
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Quotebut it's all good.
It's all good, but some is better then others and some is just great!
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Opening at 2K on a hop n' pop is quite a bit different than deploying at terminal.
As for snivelly canopies, my Stiletto usually takes 500-700 feet to open. On a hop n pop I'm usually in the saddle about 150 feet after exit. Granted, I pull in a smidge of rear-risers during the opening, but it still opens smoothly and softly.
However, it's all about comfort level. Stick with what's comfortable for you at this point in your skydiving...barring emergency exits, of course.
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