softnotes 0 #51 October 23, 2003 Quote... esp considering they are trying to delve into a world they do not understand... Well, maybe all is not lost. I know a number of policemen that skydive. If memory serves, there was some mention of a skydiving member of the police force assisting in the investigation.Blue Skies SoftNotes "That's not flying.... that's falling with style!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #52 October 23, 2003 QuoteIf memory serves, there was some mention of a skydiving member of the police force assisting in the investigation. It's Mitch, who some of you might know from Peterlee and roundabouts as well as the Uk newsgroup. Skydive PC stays with murder inquirySkydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuartjl 0 #53 October 23, 2003 The Police have been given permission to detain the two suspects for a further 24hrs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #54 October 23, 2003 is that right? whats your source for that? It was announced that they had a further 12. If they have a further 24 thats quite a different thing altogether. sorry to question, but the distinction is more important than it might appear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #55 October 23, 2003 [url]http://www.freeserve.com/news/national/story_news1.htm 12hrs in anutshell!.CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #56 October 23, 2003 shouldnt laugh but you just posted a link to a protitution story. (i think the link points to their "top story" and they've changed thier running order.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #57 October 23, 2003 !!!!!!!!!!!!!.CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaaska 0 #58 October 23, 2003 QuoteI am SOOOO happy they are making serious work of this incident. I just think we should keep an open mind at this point, since they have arrested them on "suspicion" does not mean they are the guilty ones. BUT, saying that.. If they do turn out to be guilty beyond any reasonable doubt, I hope they fry! Fortunately, frying and BBQ:n humans is not done this side of the ocean... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #59 October 23, 2003 QuoteQuoteI am SOOOO happy they are making serious work of this incident. I just think we should BUT, saying that.. If they do turn out to be guilty beyond any reasonable doubt, I hope they fry! Fortunately, frying and BBQ:n humans is not done this side of the ocean... 2 BAD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vt1977 0 #60 November 12, 2003 This from today's Sun may be of interest: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003520559,,00.html Vicki Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gremlin 0 #61 November 13, 2003 If the police do not have the evidence against these two then why were they arrested? Do the police not realise the implications their arrest will result in and the tarnish on their reputations? It seems the only time the UK police are effective is when they are using their speed cameras. I'm drunk, you're drunk, lets go back to mine.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyDave 0 #62 November 14, 2003 QuoteIf the police do not have the evidence against these two then why were they arrested? Do the police not realise the implications their arrest will result in and the tarnish on their reputations? It seems the only time the UK police are effective is when they are using their speed cameras. are you not british? I am.. and they are very effective in matters other than speed cameras. - they seem to be handling this situation very well. they wouldnt have held them if they didnt have enough evidence, but if u guys remember they have now being charged with suspicion.. and released on bail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
conhails 0 #63 November 17, 2003 FYR.. suspect arrested http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/nationalnews/content_objectid=13633552_method=full_siteid=50102_headline=-Man-quizzed-in-skydiver-death-probe-name_page.html http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=404546§ion=news also .. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-896446,00.html _______________________________________ Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyDave 0 #64 November 17, 2003 QuoteFYR.. suspect arrested http://icberkshire.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/nationalnews/content_objectid=13633552_method=full_siteid=50102_headline=-Man-quizzed-in-skydiver-death-probe-name_page.html http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=404546§ion=news also .. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-896446,00.html just heard the new news!!!!!!!!! the guy thats bein arrested is from leeds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #65 November 17, 2003 Where does it show that(and how) the rigs were tampered with? I am not seeing the whole picture. Did nothing happen when he threw out and cut, or what? Even though they are cleared now, what singled the 2 guys out of the 200+ that I read was there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #66 November 18, 2003 CrazyDave, the first two to be arrested have not been charged with anything. They were released without charge last month. They are now on police bail waiting for the CPS to confirm if anthing is gonna happen. This new arrest is a new person altogether, unconnected with the first two. Again, still no charges although this time he's been arrested on suspision of both murder and of criminal damage, which did not happen last time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyDave 0 #67 November 18, 2003 QuoteCrazyDave, the first two to be arrested have not been charged with anything. They were released without charge last month. They are now on police bail waiting for the CPS to confirm if anthing is gonna happen. ------------------------ Yes i know... i just realised now after reading this and the mail i got that I made a big mistake... i obviously wasnt paying enough attention in my law study. ------------------------------------------------------- This new arrest is a new person altogether, unconnected with the first two. Again, still no charges although this time he's been arrested on suspision of both murder and of criminal damage, which did not happen last time. ------------------------------------------- I new about this one... he is from leeds i believe, but i didnt know about the criminal damage. Wait a minute.... i was told by my law teacher that they have to be charged or released within 96 hours, i'm sure the news said they were charged.... aw well i guess i go law lessons and 'law and order' mixed up again!!!! Sorry For the mistake! CrazyDave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #68 November 18, 2003 They do have to be charged or realeased within 96 hours. They were only held for 53 then released. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #69 November 18, 2003 Does "arrest" mean the same thing in the UK as it does in the US? Were the first two "brought in for questioning" while the more recent guy has been actually charged with a crime? Or, as two peoples separated by a common language, do Americanners hear different things than Brits when I hear about people being arrested? ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #70 November 18, 2003 My understanding is in England they can not question you for more then an hour or two without having you in thier custody. You have to be arrested to be placed into custody. Basically they have to have a reason to question you to prevent harassment of you since you are innocent until they prove otherwise. Arrested = Brought in for questioningYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #71 November 18, 2003 In the UK being arrested in the grand scale of things, doesn’t mean a lot. Its more than simply "helping police with their enquires" - that’s a voluntary thing (although if you say no, the police will probably simply arrest you). When arrested you are kept in cells at the police station and they can question you for up to 24 hours. This can be extended by applying to senior officers at first then to a court, up to a maximum of 96 hours. They must then either be charged or released. Their detention must be continually assessed to see if they should still be under arrest or if they should be charged/released. The police only need "reasonable grounds" to arrest someone - this is quite easy. They need much more evidence to charge someone. A charge is far more serious. No one has been charged yet, not the first two or this third person. If we see a charge that means the police (or lawyers for the Crown) believe there is enough evidence to secure a conviction. Once charged they can no longer interview a person, so they must be sure they have enough evidence. In short: Arrest = not a lot of evidence but suspicion. Charge = enough evidence to secure a conviction (at least so the police think) (teach you to ask legally technical questions wont it) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #72 November 18, 2003 If you are arrested, you are involuntarily in police custody and are deprived (at least temporarily) of your freedom. Generally involves physical restraint (handcuffs, locked in a police car or a cell...)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
