skydivejersey 0 #1 October 31, 2003 This is taken from the new SIM for the A license. A License 1. Persons holding a USPA A license may jump without supervision, pack their own main parachute, engage in basic group jumps, perform water jumps, and must have- a. completed 25 jumps b. completed all requirements listed on the USPA A License Proficiency Card c. completed five group freefall skydives involving at least two participants It is part c. that is confusing me. As I understand the requirement was to conduct a minimum of 2 coach jumps to get your A after AFF. These were principally diving, docking and tracking and are on the A prof card. Do the reqs above now mean that the student has to do a min of 5 coach jumps (as only coach or above can jump with students) or can AFF levels count towards the 5 min group jumps? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 October 31, 2003 >as only coach or above can jump with students This is actually waiverible by the STA.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivejersey 0 #3 October 31, 2003 I understand that but do AFF levels count as group jumps? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulagc 0 #4 October 31, 2003 No. My understanding is that AFF jumps, while there may be two people in the air, are not what the license requirements mean by groups freefall jumps. According to USPA's new student program, an AFF progression ends at CAT E, and then Coach jumps start for CAT F, G & H. To properly complete these levels, several jumps need to be done at these levels. CAT F jumps, and CAT H jumps involve two-way docks, which should cound toward the group FF jump requirement. The new ISP is really set up that a student should do most or all of their 25 jumps as instructor/coach jumps, working through the levels. The problem of money comes into play, however. Students starting out throught the AFF method pay plenty for those jumps, and to try to make it cheaper to end up with an A-license, I see many DZs turning the students loose to do solos after 8-10 jumps. While there's nothing wrong with solos under a coach/I supervision, those students really haven't completed the ISP's A-license requirements, but the DZ have trouble charging them for a bunch of coach jumps after they've just shelled out big bucks for the AFF progression. I recommend reading the actual student program information in the SIMS, if you haven't. It's a good program, although some may dispute that, but it does cost more. If you're going through AFF, you've already committed to paying quite a bit for training, I suggest paying for the extra coach jumps and really finishing your requirements. You'll be a better, safer skydiver for it. I'm sure no DZ will say "no" to more coach jumps. However, there does seem to be quite a discrepancy over how much coach jumps cost. I've seen everything from free (the coach donates his slot) to almost $100 bucks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #5 October 31, 2003 Can any licensed jumper jump with the student on these "formation" jumps or does it have to be an AFFI ? I wonder as were costing the BCPA anual AFF trip and this new requirement may well bump the price for people significantly. If it does it does, but if we can have experianced members jump do a couple of free two way jumps with each student that would cut the cost and the jumpers would be giving back to their sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #6 October 31, 2003 >>If it does it does, but if we can have experianced members jump do a couple of free two way jumps with each student that would cut the cost and the jumpers would be giving back to their sport. << Sadly, I think it does. I just paid for the coach course so that I could give back to the sport. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #7 November 3, 2003 As a person going through the new AFF progression I can tell you that the coached jumps definitely count towards the "formation jumps" and that we cannot jump with anyone but coaches or AFF/I's. (This is not meant to negate what Phreezone said, because I do not know about that, but I am inclined to believe he would know better than me) Barring the waver by the S&TA however, the above is true. My DZ has a 25 jump course designed to get you your A lisence when you are finished. Infact I only have two things left to do on my card, the winds aloft forcast and um . . . oh yeah . . . get 25 jumps! 3 to go!!!! And yes this is definitely more expensive than the old system (from what people tell me) but I like it. I am learning more than I would have before and doing it in less jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivejersey 0 #8 November 3, 2003 Thanks for that. I am a coach and wanted to offer a post AFF Coahing package that would progress people up to their A license. I thought that most of the requirements in the SIM could be done in 2 or 3 jumps, but it now looks like that will have to be done over at least 5 jumps. I think that given the increased number of jumps needed that the average rate of coach pay for a coached jump could be less than if only 2 jumps were required. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
skydivejersey 0 #8 November 3, 2003 Thanks for that. I am a coach and wanted to offer a post AFF Coahing package that would progress people up to their A license. I thought that most of the requirements in the SIM could be done in 2 or 3 jumps, but it now looks like that will have to be done over at least 5 jumps. I think that given the increased number of jumps needed that the average rate of coach pay for a coached jump could be less than if only 2 jumps were required. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
