kpipes 0 #1 August 27, 2003 1) Use of term 'swooping' in the context of a skydive. I understand the term as it relates to barely-above-ground, fast-moving canopy maneuvering, as in pond swooping and blade running. But I also see the use of the term in some folk's forum-postings as regards in-flight skydiving; is swooping in this context like tracking, or maybe moving fast in RW maneuvers? 2) I twice have seen the use of term 'woke' as relates to a new AFF jumper, exiting at, say, 12k but not being 'awake' until 9k. What does that mean? Many thanks. I am learning much from all of you!"Birds make great sky-circles of their freedom. How do they learn it? They fall, and falling, they're given wings." - RUMI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #2 August 27, 2003 Well, swooping as an "in-freefall" term is when someone dives out after a formation and "swoops" down to them to dock. It's basically just flying a delta down to them, then slowing down so you stop about 10 feet above them, then slowly sink down into your slot. With the whole "woke" thing, I've never heard that before, so I have no clue. Hope I could help!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phonics1981 0 #3 August 27, 2003 Quote 2) I twice have seen the use of term 'woke' as relates to a new AFF jumper, exiting at, say, 12k but not being 'awake' until 9k. What does that mean? I think this means that a new jumper experiences sensory overload just after leaving the plane and thier brain is thinking "what the fuck have you just done!?" It takes a little while to actually sink in. ------------------------------------------------------ "Ive given up on sigs cos I make a mess of them!" ------------------------------------------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #4 August 27, 2003 QuoteQuote 2) I twice have seen the use of term 'woke' as relates to a new AFF jumper, exiting at, say, 12k but not being 'awake' until 9k. What does that mean? I think this means that a new jumper experiences sensory overload just after leaving the plane and thier brain is thinking "what the fuck have you just done!?" It takes a little while to actually sink in. Yeah, my understanding is the same, it refers to when you come out of sensory overload and realize where the hell you are ~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpipes 0 #5 August 27, 2003 Thanks. My question comes from a recent posting where a new jumper was asking for opinions about whether or not he should go to SL, since he was having difficulty with AFF. I can't find that posting, as I was hoping to show it to you and his reference to jumping at Xk and then being "woke" a few k lower."Birds make great sky-circles of their freedom. How do they learn it? They fall, and falling, they're given wings." - RUMI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #6 August 27, 2003 QuoteWell, swooping as an "in-freefall" term is when someone dives out after a formation and "swoops" down to them to dock. It's basically just flying a delta down to them, then slowing down so you stop about 10 feet above them, then slowly sink down into your slot. With the whole "woke" thing, I've never heard that before, so I have no clue. Hope I could help!! A swoop is leaving late, diving to the formation, stopping in your slot and then taking grips. All done in one smooth "Swoop".My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #7 August 27, 2003 Kpipes, Take it from mjosparky, he prolly knows it better than I do, I'm a freeflyer. Thanks for clearing that up bro. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #8 August 27, 2003 And in the SST Racer the SST stands for Super Swooper Tandem. That the original name for the original design from 1974-75. Swooping was something you had to be good at when you were 40th out of a DC-3 small door on a 40 way and the base was 2-3000 ft below you when you exited. TerryI'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #9 August 27, 2003 QuoteAnd in the SST Racer the SST stands for Super Swooper Tandem. That the original name for the original design from 1974-75. Swooping was something you had to be good at when you were 40th out of a DC-3 small door on a 40 way and the base was 2-3000 ft below you when you exited. Terry thats got nothing over being Number 8.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #10 August 27, 2003 QuoteAnd in the SST Racer the SST stands for Super Swooper Tandem. That the original name for the original design from 1974-75. Swooping was something you had to be good at when you were 40th out of a DC-3 small door on a 40 way and the base was 2-3000 ft below you when you exited. Terry I thought it stood for "Struggle, Struggle, Thump"My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towerrat 0 #11 August 28, 2003 Quoteyou stop about 10 feet above them, then slowly sink down into your slot*** really?I've always been taught to enter the formation on level, never from above.Play stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WrongWay 0 #12 August 28, 2003 Hey gimme a break, I'm a freeflyer, and don't do belly big ways. But yes, you're right, and the few times I have done belly big ways, that's what I've done, I just said it wrong, cuz I don't know belly techs, hahaha!!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites poohbeer 0 #13 August 28, 2003 QuoteThanks. My question comes from a recent posting where a new jumper was asking for opinions about whether or not he should go to SL, since he was having difficulty with AFF. I can't find that posting, as I was hoping to show it to you and his reference to jumping at Xk and then being "woke" a few k lower. That must have been my topic: When to advise SL to an AFF student? Check the latest posts though.. AFF rocks! I indeed was pointing to sensory overload where I didn't seem to register the first portion of the dive. See it as extreme tunnelvision. Like the brain that locks up and thinks 'what the fuck' without registering external inputs. ------- SIGNATURE BELOW ------- Complete newbie at skydiving, so be critical about what I say!! "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #14 August 28, 2003 Shhhhh Thats a secret! I had a 1400 ft reserve total on an original SST so it almost was. (Pulled reserve at 1700'.)I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites The111 1 #15 August 28, 2003 Umm, care to explain how you lived?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #16 August 28, 2003 As I said, I pulled the reserve at 1700' after a cutaway and it totaled for 1400', finally deciding to come out of the container at 300'. I rolled over on my back to blow off what I thought was a PC hesitation and saw only blue sky. Observations by other jumpers and some supposition led me to conclude that the upper loop hung up, the cap rotated and the spring (a wimpy MA-1) extended down my back. I don't have a clue why it finally left when it didn't leave with me on my back. I was watching the ground waiting to bounce. There were several minor rigging errors, non of which should have caused the problem. But they added up to there not being a rigger I trusted in the area. So I became one. TerryI'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites The111 1 #17 August 28, 2003 Ok, sorry, misunderstood your first post. Glad it turned out all right. :)www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites McDuck 0 #18 August 28, 2003 Just the fact that you quoted Rumi in your signature makes you more than okay in my book. Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites webracer 0 #19 August 28, 2003 in regards to the term swoop (in the original context in freefall), think of a bird, "swooping" down to catch some prey. It looks much the same as what we're doing.Troy I am now free to exercise my downward mobility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
WrongWay 0 #12 August 28, 2003 Hey gimme a break, I'm a freeflyer, and don't do belly big ways. But yes, you're right, and the few times I have done belly big ways, that's what I've done, I just said it wrong, cuz I don't know belly techs, hahaha!!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poohbeer 0 #13 August 28, 2003 QuoteThanks. My question comes from a recent posting where a new jumper was asking for opinions about whether or not he should go to SL, since he was having difficulty with AFF. I can't find that posting, as I was hoping to show it to you and his reference to jumping at Xk and then being "woke" a few k lower. That must have been my topic: When to advise SL to an AFF student? Check the latest posts though.. AFF rocks! I indeed was pointing to sensory overload where I didn't seem to register the first portion of the dive. See it as extreme tunnelvision. Like the brain that locks up and thinks 'what the fuck' without registering external inputs. ------- SIGNATURE BELOW ------- Complete newbie at skydiving, so be critical about what I say!! "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #14 August 28, 2003 Shhhhh Thats a secret! I had a 1400 ft reserve total on an original SST so it almost was. (Pulled reserve at 1700'.)I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #15 August 28, 2003 Umm, care to explain how you lived?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #16 August 28, 2003 As I said, I pulled the reserve at 1700' after a cutaway and it totaled for 1400', finally deciding to come out of the container at 300'. I rolled over on my back to blow off what I thought was a PC hesitation and saw only blue sky. Observations by other jumpers and some supposition led me to conclude that the upper loop hung up, the cap rotated and the spring (a wimpy MA-1) extended down my back. I don't have a clue why it finally left when it didn't leave with me on my back. I was watching the ground waiting to bounce. There were several minor rigging errors, non of which should have caused the problem. But they added up to there not being a rigger I trusted in the area. So I became one. TerryI'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #17 August 28, 2003 Ok, sorry, misunderstood your first post. Glad it turned out all right. :)www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #18 August 28, 2003 Just the fact that you quoted Rumi in your signature makes you more than okay in my book. Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webracer 0 #19 August 28, 2003 in regards to the term swoop (in the original context in freefall), think of a bird, "swooping" down to catch some prey. It looks much the same as what we're doing.Troy I am now free to exercise my downward mobility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
