yoink 321 #1 August 21, 2003 just a general question of a psycho vs PRO pack - I know how to do them both but as yet haven't had the bottle to jump a psycho pack. Is is really any different to a PRO pack, mal rates etc? (assuming I take the rotation out the right way ) Will Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #2 August 21, 2003 funny you said the rotation thing cause I didn't my first time I packed pyscho (luckily I was jumping something that was somewhat DOCILE ). From my limited experience, pyscho packing makes my parachute open a bit more snively giving me a softer opening than if I had just packed PRO and s folded the thing into the D bag. Note that this is my experience and your mileage may vary! I like talking to the experienced riggers and packers at my DZ about any gear questions I have, personally, but its nice to have a little internet cross section factor into your decision of which way to pack too --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #3 August 21, 2003 IMHO - a psycho pack is much harsher on the lines becuase one half of it sorta gets pulled out further and faster then the other half, or is that a trash pack I'm thinking of... I finally settled in with Pro Pack like 6 years ago and haven't dealt with either a psycho or trash in a long long time... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #4 August 21, 2003 QuoteIMHO - a psycho pack is much harsher on the lines becuase one half of it sorta gets pulled out further and faster then the other half, Huh? Can you explain what you mean by this? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #5 August 21, 2003 Now that I'm thinking more and more about it... Isn't a psycho pack basically where you give the canopy a 180 when laying it on the ground and get it into the bag? I'm thinking my original thought applied to a trash pack. If I remember correctly, a trash pack is similar to a flat pack in the sense that it opens on its side and tugs a bit more at that half of lines. This is a very very vague memory of what a rigger once told me (i.e. i probably dont know shit)! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #6 August 21, 2003 Yah duh - I just looked at a psycho oack diagram. I wouldn't think it would be any more detrimental to a canopy than a propack. http://precision.aerodynamics.com/psycho/epack/extreme_pack.htm I kind of do the roll aspect of a psycho, but I don't flip my canopy over on the ground. I remember when packing my buddy's new canopies that a psycho pack would help out just dealing with the fabric a little bit. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #7 August 21, 2003 QuoteIsn't a psycho pack basically where you give the canopy a 180 when laying it on the ground and get it into the bag? Pretty much, yes. It's essentially a PRO pack, others have suggested that it might be more appropriately named Psycho Bagging. Check out the following links for more on the Psycho pack. Psycho Packing the Icarus Safire How To Bag A Zero-P Canopy In 60 Seconds - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #8 August 21, 2003 I psycho-packed my new Stiletto for about the first 50 jumps. The openings were beautifully soft, softer then I'd ever had. The downside was that the openings were off-heading a bit more frequently. It never spun, or never even approached what I'd cal a malfunction, but they were consistently 90-120 degrees off heading. I attribute the off-heading openings to the canopy being unsymetrical. One of the steps in psycho-packing involves pulling the main attachment point off to the side, so that the bag doesn't end up inside the roll. This action, pulling the attachment point off to the side, is what made the canopy unsymetrical. I think. Once the ZP was broken in, I switched back to pro-packing. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #9 August 21, 2003 I didn't pack at all for myself for 250 jumps because I could never get a Pro pack in the bag on the 2 new canopies I had, and I didn't want to work that hard. (Yeah, I admit it!) Finally, Chopchop taught me how to psycho pack my Sabre 2 170. I can do it all by myself, and I've had mostly sweet openings every time. Every once in awhile I get a little 180 degree twist, but I honestly can't say that it is from the pack job and not my body position. I talked to Scott Miller who works at PD about it one day, and he told me it wasn't the recommended pack job (yeah, we all know that) but he was also so glad to see me packing, that he told me to go ahead and do it if it was working for me.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 August 21, 2003 I psycho packed for a while, just to try it out, it did nothing for my openings (I can make my canopy open softer when I pro-pack it), and it even made my packjobs slower going into the bag. The slowness of getting it into the bag is just experience, I think, since I was a paid packer for about a year and have packed somewhere near 1500-2000 mains and tandems with a standard pro-pack, I was faster with a pro-pack. Try it out, see if it works for you, that's the best way to judge it.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turnlow 0 #11 August 21, 2003 I don't do a psycho pack, but I do roll my canopy instead of s-folding it. Generally it enables me to get the canopy in the bag a bit faster and easier. _________________________________________________It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Layton 0 #12 August 22, 2003 i psyco pack just because its easier for me to have it laying on the ground rather than over my shoulder.i also jump a f1-11 canopy too.i really have to roll things to get it to open slowly.my pro packs looked like sh*t and opened the same way.i havent had a off heading opening in quite a while.just my 2cents.***if you are going to be stupid you better be tough Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #13 August 22, 2003 Quotebecause its easier for me to have it laying on the ground rather than over my shoulder. That doesn't sound like a true psycho pack, which until you put the canopy on the ground, is exactly like a Pro-pack (which goes over your shoulder or is held up in a similar fasion).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #14 August 22, 2003 QuoteI psycho-packed my new Stiletto for about the first 50 jumps. The openings were beautifully soft, softer then I'd ever had. The downside was that the openings were off-heading a bit more frequently. It never spun, or never even approached what I'd cal a malfunction, but they were consistently 90-120 degrees off heading. I attribute the off-heading openings to the canopy being unsymetrical. One of the steps in psycho-packing involves pulling the main attachment point off to the side, so that the bag doesn't end up inside the roll. This action, pulling the attachment point off to the side, is what made the canopy unsymetrical. I think. You bring up some good points, Andy. Here's what I have noticed over time... I've been psycho packing since I started skydiving. I have over 200 psycho packs on my Stiletto alone with no issues. It genereally opens on-heading or within a few degrees very consistently. The trick to the symmetry is two-fold. You have to be very careful how you lay the canopy on the ground (i.e., when you flip it 180 and put it on the floor). Until you get used to it, it is easy to lay the canopy down lop-sided and now you have more bulk on one side than the other. As for the attachment point, this is where a bridle extension comes in handy. I have an 8" extension on mine so I can put the bag on it without disturbing the roll or causing the pilot-chute to become uncocked. Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyguy 0 #15 August 22, 2003 I did it for a while with no problems. Easier to get in the bag etc. But I when I went to Pro, the openings were a tiny bit longer, and less snatchy. Plus, I didn't get called a Nancy, when I Pro Packed. Oh, the pressure. Nancy is cuter than hell, by the way. ---------------------------- bzzzz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #16 August 22, 2003 The big thing about psycho packing is also to make sure you get a leader on your bridal...I have a 12" bridal extension so I dont have to pull the attachment point out at all. my biggest issue with off heading openins now is cause my canopy snivels and snivels and snivels...thanks to HOOK...I also noticed that over time my pack jobs have been ALOT more symetrical than they ever have when I tryed to pro pack. but at first...as andy has noted I did tend to have a slightly asymetrical pack job...mostly due to how I was lying the canopy on the floor during the 180 flip... I was taught how to psycho pack...was never taught pro packing, side or flat packing...at the time Icarus was based out of Sebastian. and one of the guys at the DZ taught me how to pack this way. made packing that 280 navigator ALOT easier... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #17 August 22, 2003 I had an extension on my bridle... actually, it's still there. I still had dificulties keeping the attachment point in the center of the roll. Of course, my off-heading openings could have been caused by something altogeather completely different, but that is my best guess. Once I'd figured out how to pro-pack my canopy, I went back to doing that, so figuring out the exact problem wasn't a priority. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chopchop 0 #18 August 22, 2003 I only know how to psycho-pack.. 750 or so of my own packjobs. While I did have a couple of packing-related cutaways in my first 100 jumps, they were a result of stupidity and quality of packjob, not type of packjob. I get nice on-heading openings on my Stiletto with no bridle extension.. Actually softer than when I use a packer that pro-packs. I have taught a few people how to pack this way with very good results as skymama attested above. chopchop gotta go... Plaything needs a spanking.. Lotsa Pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #19 August 22, 2003 I had a hard opening canopy. I started psycho-packing about 200 jumps ago. I was still getting a hard opening at times, even with the psycho pack, but since I started rolling the nose considerably the hard openings have gone away entirely. (Maybe I'm getting lulled into a real slammer). But at any rate, I like the way things pack up and how the canopy slips into the bag easily. My bag is one size too small so I need all the help I can get. I have about a 12 inch extension on the bridal. This is probably longer than needed. Eight inches would be enough for me. Openings are usually on heading, but occaisionally off slightly. Nothing even close to a malfunction yet. I'm a neat packer. I love the psycho pack, and would hate to go back to pro-packing.......Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Layton 0 #20 August 23, 2003 yes it is just like a pro pack until you lay it down.i roll the nose and the tail and it is much easier to do for me when itis laying on the ground.***if you are going to be stupid you better be tough Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #21 August 23, 2003 There is nothing wrong with PSYCHO Packing. I have done it since 95. For those of you who do not know it was originally called the BATPACK. Designed for the Batwing parachute. There was a group of us that jumped in Texas who refined the pack job to get on heading and really soft openings. As stated above part of it is in the lay down process. We decided to try folding half and half instead of one side over the other. This took out the 90 Degree off heading openings. The other thing we did is on the nose roll four & four with the center cell presented, put the slider on the center cell then roll the tail. I will have to say that when I pack for someone they comment that it is the best opening they have ever had. Keep in mind that this pack job is truly designed for an eliptical canopy. Like Aggie said though when you pack one way for soo long it is probably best to stick with what you know. Laters, KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
