richardd 0 #1 August 17, 2003 Anyone seen SkyDivingMovies.com. Im new to this sport and was watching some mal videos. There was a rather scary incident hyped up a bit by TV but would have been pretty worrying. http://www.skydivingmovies.com/dl.php?f=cutaways/foxsports_premature_deployement.asf Any form of horse shoe is probably my worse fear. Just watching these vids for my own learning. What ifs etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alanab 0 #2 August 18, 2003 http://www.skydivingmovies.com/dl.php?f=cutaways/foxsports_premature_deployement.asf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #3 August 18, 2003 It kinda pisses me off that you can see his alti is at 3 k when the announcer is saying he's at 500 ft I dont know the whole deal but if he cut away at 300 ft like the Guy says it woulda been adifferent scenario. Im glad scott lived. just aggitated at the tv showMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #4 August 18, 2003 QuoteIt kinda pisses me off that you can see his alti is at 3 k when the announcer is saying he's at 500 ft I dont know the whole deal but if he cut away at 300 ft like the Guy says it woulda been adifferent scenario. Im glad scott lived. just aggitated at the tv show This reminds me - finally saw a new Mal video on RealTV the other night - this one was in Russia - video of 4 way. Video guy deploys into line twists that come over his helmet and knocks the helmet over his eyes. Looks like 4 or 5 cells open, slider up high, not spinning. Jumper never chops, never pulls his reserve, no AAD fire, slams into the ground and lives with nothing broken. Anyone else seen this one or put it on the ftp site yet?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richardd 0 #5 August 18, 2003 Not sure if posting this thread has caused annoyance as its a bit hyped and probably not good for the sport. Im just trying to prepare as much as possible mentally to deal with all situations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #6 August 18, 2003 QuoteNot sure if posting this thread has caused annoyance as its a bit hyped and probably not good for the sport. Im just trying to prepare as much as possible mentally to deal with all situations. No hype - that FTP site is well known on dropzone.com and rec.skydiving, it has been around in one shape or another for at least the five years I have been in the sport. As skydivers, we have to accept that Mals, accidents and incidents happen. We pass on this info to each other via reports, video, pictures so we don't lose anymore friends, esp if it was avoidable. Up until last year, there used to be a web site that documented all the fatalities in the sport - this was meant to be an educational tool - each incident had a "how could this been avoided" section. There are some people that sell their videos to the media, and some media folk that love to showcase the sport as extreme and deadly to help with the ratings. That is where the hype and downside to all this comes in.... The great thing about this moderated forum is that we are able to talk and learn about these things here without any of the hype BS that tends to surround it - just remember, it requires respect to all those involved. It is great that you want to learn to save yourself when your first malfunction happens! Keep doing that, keep reading, and keep asking questions here! The only stupid question is the one you don't ask, esp if it could have saved your life._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrickyDicky 0 #7 August 19, 2003 The one fox video that really pisses me off is the one with a S/L student who has a lineover (I think, might be entanglement) but takes ages to sort it out. They make it out to be such a big thing, whereas personally I dont think it is. I think its one example of how the media makes out that the student is never in the wrong. There was a video on british tv about a year ago where a first time aff student had a good ff but had a lineover. He decided to ride it down to 100', then cutaway and pull his reserve. Luckily he did it over some trees that broke his fall so he got away with little injury, but the tv made out as if he had done everythng right, and it was a freak accident. He'd even pulled himself at 5k. My housemates had a go at me when I called him a stupid twat, they're excuse being that "He had probably filled his pants". Another thing I noticed from the first vid I mentioned, is that the instructor tells the student over the radio to do his reserve drills. Is this not a bit dangerous? In this country (britain) all you're allowed to say on the radio to students in that situation is "Check your canopy!". Telling them to cut away may be heard by another student with a perfectly good canopy. Sorry for the rant. Im bored at work. UK Skydiver for all your UK skydiving needs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richardd 0 #8 August 19, 2003 yes its pretty naf. Re the SL exit! what was all that about - he put one leg out and tumbled over the SL. We were trained seated and sought of hop out facing the airflow. Quite agree though. Awful commentary when skydiving turns bad... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenemachine 0 #9 August 19, 2003 that one is known as the "splat" video and happened at my home dz.. jumper in vid no longer jumpes there...If a Blonde throws a pin at you RUN, shes got a hand grenade in her mouth! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vertifly 0 #10 August 19, 2003 Yeah, he is actually at about 2k when he finally chops. And then the commentator says he's at 500...450...400...etc., but yeah, that is bullshit. His reserve isn't fully inflated until below 500 though. So, it isn't really that much of an exageration. That dude oughta thank his lucky stars. I think what pisses me off more is that they actually edited the video to reflect that, while he was lying on the ground, he was ACTUALLY seeing double or triple. Whatever! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #11 August 20, 2003 After finally getting his reserve out, before he slammed into the ground, was he alright? From the video it looks like he was just fine at the end until he made a low turn. Did he not realize how low he was or what? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richardd 0 #12 August 20, 2003 none of it makes sense to us who have a degree of knowledge. 400,350,300 - alti stil says 3000!! or whatever!! The only thing i was unsure about was if you are wrapped in lines then u cant cut away! In my limited experience if i couldnt unravel i would pull my reserve and hope for the best. dunno what u think! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phonics1981 0 #13 August 20, 2003 If it got to a point where youve tried to get untangled etc and there is no chance of getting free of course id pull my reserve. It may save ya. Without pulling it you'll probably be hitting the ground at a high speed and it would hurt! At the moment, I always set myself an altitude in my mind where if im not under my main for whatever reason, cut away and pull my reserve, no matter what. I'm not experienced enough to make decisions at 1k on whether or not i'll manage to sort an entanglement within 200ft. Cut and Pull. ------------------------------------------------------ "Ive given up on sigs cos I make a mess of them!" ------------------------------------------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greenemachine 0 #14 August 20, 2003 unsure of specific injuries but defintly did not get up and go jump again that day....If a Blonde throws a pin at you RUN, shes got a hand grenade in her mouth! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrickyDicky 0 #15 August 21, 2003 Until you actually get in the situation you dont know how you're going to act. Having been in a serious horseshoe/entanglement and baglock I know that after what seems like a eternity of blind panic and visions of watching myself go in from the flight line, and thinking about the guy who had gone in from an entanglement 2 weeks previously, it clears up suddenly and you know what to do. I looked down, saw red, pulled it and made sure all the yellow came out. VERY luckily the mess cleared off my left wrist and Ill never know if it was the RSL or me that opened the reserve as I threw the handle away and was never found (had a 2 ring RSL, student javelin). But I would definatly, if in a more fucked up situtaion I would pull everything and try and get as much fabric above my head as possible, and maybe aim for trees. UK Skydiver for all your UK skydiving needs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
