Messed up scenario on a 300-way

[skydiverek 63]

Ok, I was just thinking about the break off on big ways (like 300-way, for instance). I hope it never happens but how about this: at 6000ft. jumper in the base pulls to signal the end of record attempt. He gets a bag lock. It stands him up. He looses the drag of his body, accelerates and goes through and below the formation (with the bag lock). What next???

P.S. I came up wuth this question after watching Mike Mcquire on "BreakAway", saying that you can go faster with the bag lock (due to less total drag) than in stable box position.

[billvon 2,991]

>He gets a bag lock. It stands him up. He looses the drag of his
>body, accelerates and goes through and below the formation . . .

This sort of stuff happens on occasion. A lot of it depends on the instructions to the rest of the people on the dive. On the 300-way it wasn't too much of an issue since breakoff was on body extraction; no one let go until George was physically pulled out of the dive. This gives us another 1/2 second to complete the dive (or hold it for 3 seconds under the old rules) and thus the people on George don't let go until he is pulled away, and I don't think a bag lock would pull him away.

Some more scary stuff I've seen:

-A jumper in the center who pulls and has the PC fall right back on his back due to the massive burble. Result: breakoff 1000 feet too low.

-Breakoff key guy waves off. is released, pulls, and immediately drops 20 feet below the formation as his PC inflates, his main clears the bag and snivels for 5 seconds. Then he rockets back up through the base (which had fortunately backed away from him.) Lesson: don't let the guy who's pulling out go until he's pulled out of your hands.

[rigging65 0]

Here's another one for ya.

We were doing 120 ways in Perris a few years ago and the pull-out was in the second row, right outside the base. The guy on his left was supposed to hold his grip until he was actually extracted. The pull-out had a hard pull and the guy on his left let go of him when he reached back, not when he was extracted.

The result was the pull-out guy 10 feet below the formation, yanking on his hackey. He finally gets the p/c out and the canopy is leaving the bag on level with the rest of the formation. It stays there for a second or two before it catches enough air to pull the pull-out guy up through the formation. Luckily, he didn't slide around when he was low, and he got yanked right up through the hole he left in the formation when he went low. Honest to God, I was sitting there, in freefall, watching a canopy develop like 20 feet in front of me....

So, not only was there huge potential for someone getting hurt as this guy goes rocketing back up through the formation, but we were all at least a 1000 feet low breaking off. There was, to say the least, some canopies opening too close for comfort with each other...which resulted in a very crowded pattern as there wasn't enough separation between waves at deployment

...all because one guy didn't do his job and maintain a grip until the pull-out got pulled-out!

"...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward.
For there you have been, and there you long to return..."

[freakydiver 0]

That just does not sound fun to me.

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

[Casch 0]

I would most definately not want to experience that, but if it did happen on one of my jumps, that has got to be a trippy feeling

[freakydiver 0]

I've had two trippy feelings this year (well three counting that one camping trip a couple of months back )...

Was doing a three way sit out of a King Air, uppers relatively low - we exit train, I end up looking up at the plane 3 seconds after exit - what do I see, a solo exiting THREE FUCKING SECONDS after we left - then two of the three way cork (me and guy one foot away from me at 3 seconds - not a major cork). Never saw the guy exiting 1 second after me ever again, NOR did I see a canopy opening close to us three.

Second one - was just videoing a 2 way - high numbers between the both of em. Just messin around practicing my video skills. Doodz say they are going to track and pull at around 4 grand. At four grand I look for the track - I'm about 15 above em, pretty much right on top. What do I see - guy going for his pilot chute. I get enough forward movement to be able to look back about 10 feet to a canopy opening up right on my ass. He got a new asshole for that one.

Never really had any trippy ones like that in a long long time...

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

[skydiveacapulco 0]

i am in a fillisafical mood tonight, nocking out one jumper.
chain

inexperienced jumper,
experienced team.
high altitude.
wrong exit order.

now break the chain.
falt not briefing all jumpers on the load eg give us e a few seconds.
just a thought.

blue sky sand and sun.