kallend 2,027 #51 September 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteNo-pull and low-pull fatalities are way down since the CYPRES was introduced, regardless of how people use one or think about it. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. Yes, but so are the number of people going low.. So the trend seems to be people making more mistakes not less...Its just they have a cool toy save them now. A mistake that leaves you unharmed is not in the same category as a mistake that kills you. Right now, not using a CYPRES if one is available to you is a mistake, IMO. The fact that you call a proven lifesaving device a "toy" indicates that you have some inner conflict about your own use of a CYPRES that you are trying to resolve.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #52 September 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteMaking a jump without one just to show that you can is equally stupid. This sport is about risk management, not bravado. Maybe ...if again on that opposite side of the spectrum that is the only reason you are jumping (linda like the ol' fashioned "look ma, no hands trick" I'm sure we all know from when we were kids). However, let's say you arive at the DZ, go to power up your Cypres, it errors-out repeatedly & shuts down. Are you grounding yourself? Or on jumprun someone realizes you didn't turn your Cypres on. You staying in the plane? Choosing to go ahead & make your jumps under those scenarios (or not for that matter) is not necessarily "bravado" at all ...just simple personal choice, that's all. Either decision is not "stupid" so long as properly reasoned, and measured against the individual's own PERSONAL tolerance or acceptability of risk & perception and further personal practice of risk management. If you do not feel like you even have that CHOICE (ie: no Cypres, no skydive) YOU ARE DEPENDENT. It is just that plain & simple. Period. My opinion: Cypres' should be a choice. I am free to make mine, you are free to make yours. ---At least until further notice What if you discovered that your main was ripped? You still have a reserve after all, and the main might] hold up. Once you are dependent on any part of your rig (and you are) it's all a matter of degree from that point onwards.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #53 September 12, 2003 I've seen the seatbelt argument a lot. But I think a better comparison would be anti-lock brakes. IF you get too used to them, you might forget how to brake properly because all you have to do is jam your foot in it. Can you see it when you go into a car dealer and want to buy a car with anti-lock brakes and they require that I first drive a car with regular ol ones to show that I'm not too dependant on the anti-lock kind? I know, its a silly comparison but its closer than the seatbelt thing My car doesnt have anti-lock brakes. Bur my rig has a Cypres! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #54 September 12, 2003 QuoteA mistake that leaves you unharmed is not in the same category as a mistake that kills you. Right now, not using a CYPRES if one is available to you is a mistake, IMO. How about if you make a mistke and you are only alive due to a CYPRES... Is it still a mistake? How big of a mistake? A sit down and fiqure out what they hell I did wrong and look at life to see if this is worth it kind of mistake? Or a Damn I need a repack and a cutter to get on the next load, but thats what I bought the damn thing for kind of mistake? Quote The fact that you call a proven lifesaving device a "toy" indicates that you have some inner conflict about your own use of a CYPRES that you are trying to resolve Nope, my whole rig is a TOY...I don't need one if I don't skydive. I don't need to skydive. I do it because I enjoy it. So I enjoy my rig...Its just an important toy. The whole issue is why can't you admit you depend on your CYPRES? To full of machismo to admit you rely on a small black box that will save you if you are to stupid to save yourself? I admited I depend on my Rig.... However I don't depend on my CYPRES since I will jump without it if I need to."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #55 September 12, 2003 QuoteIf you read my posts, you would have seen that I have made a number of 10-way speed jumps without a CYPRES when I had to borrow someone else's rig - so how come I'm any more dependent than you? Then clearly you are not dependent....But I bet you know someone that is.... And I think that trusting a toy more than your brain is bad."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
