skydiveacapulco 0 #1 September 11, 2003 hi there this is more in the way of asking advice, so names withheld. i have sombody just turned up, 15 jumps. jumps 1-5 sl jump6 3 sec delay jump 7 10 sec delay. jump 8 15 sec dealy. jumps 9-15 from 10k. using spring loaded system with release on the uper right shoulder!. single paint release system for malfunctions? ok never jumped with anybody in freefall with him. like what do i do with him? convert to boc? take through aff (step back). i keep thinking that if i train him boc and he panics he will go and grab the cutaway pad!. anybody with suggestions it,s a new one on me!.blue sky sand and sun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #2 September 11, 2003 a training harness and vigilant training will help him to develope muscle memory. i've never utilized a ripcord except for my tandem progression, but i can't see a ripcord spring loaded pc would be more advantageous than a BOC. the biggest advantage in my mind of a BOC VS. a spring loaded ripcord system is you know you PC is cocked by inspecting the color in the bridle window, hard to mess up!--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #3 September 11, 2003 Quotethe biggest advantage in my mind of a BOC VS. a spring loaded ripcord system is you know you PC is cocked by inspecting the color in the bridle window, hard to mess up! Actually in that case the spring loaded is better because you don't cock it period. Once it is compressed in the main container it is ready to go.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiveacapulco 0 #4 September 11, 2003 yes but regardles of the system, good or bad i have 2 choices train him to boc then he goes back and has to re learn pulling a shock handle lockated on hisright shoulder or suggest he sticks with the one training system / proggresion system at his home dropzone we dont use it here, (modern gear) i looked at his progresion log book and am trying to figure out what to do with him!blue sky sand and sun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #5 September 11, 2003 Where is this person's home DZ? I can't think of anyplace that uses a rig with a ripcord up high on the harness (like a military MC4 or old MT1-XX) but if that's the case it's a simple matter of transitioning him to BOC. If the person was a SL progression student, then he ought to be onto self supervision anyway. If that person showed up on my dropzone I would send him up with an AFFI after training him on BOC and doing some cutaway drills in a hanging harness. No big deal. I get military guys straight out of HALO schools out at our DZ all the time who don't have licenses and need similar training. Sending that person up with an AFFI as his "coach" is your best move. You did not mention if this person was now living there or is just a tourist passing through. You also didn't mention when the person's last jump was. Chuck Blue D-12501 AFF-I (among other things) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 September 11, 2003 Wow! The guy's home DZ truly is using antiquated gear! I have not seen a chest-mounted main ripcord in almost 20 years! If the guy is a tourist, I would tell him to do a dozen jumps with you or not bother. If the guy is willing to do a dozen jumps with you, you can do the whole "conversion to BOC" thing and send him home with enough experience that he never has to jump that antiquated system again. Ideally you would send him home with 25-30 jumps and a fresh USPA A license. You are also correct in believing that the worst thing you can do is let him borrow your BOC-equipped gear - for a few jumps - then send him home to jump the antiquated gear at his home DZ. P.S. Tell his home DZ that I have plenty modern BOCs, hand-deploy pilotchutes, etc. over the winter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiveacapulco 0 #7 September 11, 2003 QuoteWow! The guy's home DZ truly is using antiquated gear! I have not seen a chest-mounted main ripcord in almost 20 years! wow you been round longer than me i been round 18 and never seen the gear. yep the guy is a tourist now in the process of converting to boc he is hear for a week we are doing a comp training programe with him. he will leave converted to boc with some freefall experience and maybe some three way coach work. thanks robpaid advert from rigger rob. P.S. Tell his home DZ that I have plenty modern BOCs, hand-deploy pilotchutes, etc. over the winter.blue sky sand and sun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #8 September 11, 2003 I learned on BOC mounted rip-cord rigs with a SOS. I visited another smaller DZ and the only rig they'd let me jump was a chest-mounted ripcord rig with SOS. I didn't have any trouble going from BOC to chest mounted handle. I just did about 30-40 practice pulls on the ground and a few in the plane. No biggie. I don't think it will be a very big deal to convert him to BOC. Just make sure he practices procedures repeatedly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #9 September 12, 2003 QuoteWow! The guy's home DZ truly is using antiquated gear! I have not seen a chest-mounted main ripcord in almost 20 years! I haven't seen one in a couple of weeks. There's nothing wrong with a chest mounted ripcord. I learnt with one, and I'm still around. I've done a few more jumps since converting to BOC on those rigs.-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
