c2278222 0 #1 March 28, 2003 Does anybody know when the new jump requirements will go into affect? I think it is in September but wil it be in the begining or the end. Basically I want to know when I need to get 200 jumps in by. Thanks, Aaron Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #2 March 28, 2003 Sep. 30th.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamsville 0 #3 March 28, 2003 Make them quality jumps so you feel you're learning the types of skills that are your favorites. I don't drink during the day, so I don't know what it is about this airline. I keep falling out the door of the plane. Harry, FB #4143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dterrick 0 #4 March 28, 2003 Aaron: I'd like to play the Devil's advocate here for a minute and ask why it is so important to get your "D" in 200 jumps? The FAI (our world body) lists A,B,C,D as 25,50,200, 500 jumps asthe MINIMUM requirements, and it's been that way for a while. Is it a status thing? Here in Canada, once you have a B (we require 100 jumps) you can do "anything" except exhibition jumps, tandems, advanced instruction, and helmetless jumps (no hat jumps must have a D and 500; even then it is up to the DZO, and where would you put your audible?) I understand from our old fogies (who themselves were dispatching students after a dozen jumps or so ... under rounds) that the sophistication and capabilities of our sport is now such that there is NO WAY you can learn enough in 200 jumps to be considered an "expert". I wonder whether ability or a licence will be more important when you run into that 'expert' situation? Why not concentrate on learning well rather than just puttin up jump numbers? And, if you are so fortunate in time and finance that you can learn all you need in one seaon - AND - have enough free time to enjoy some jumps ... I envy you. go to it. Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #5 March 28, 2003 QuoteWhy not concentrate on learning well rather than just puttin up jump numbers? I totally agree, is better to have QUALITY jumps than QUANTITY, someone can just push you out of an airplane and you will tumble like a rag doll or you can ACTUALLY skydive, both are jumps, but which one is a 'REAL' jump? got it? I'm working on my 'A' but I want to EARN IT, not just jump, accumulate jumps and become a lousy skydiver, what would be the point of that? My 2 cents.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlindBrick 0 #6 March 28, 2003 QuoteAaron: I'd like to play the Devil's advocate here for a minute and ask why it is so important to get your "D" in 200 jumps? Quote My thing is that I would really like to get my PRO ASAP. PRO requires you old a D for 2 years before applying. With the new D requirements, it will, on average, more than double the time required to obtain one since it will tkae so much longer to get the required jumps for a D. -Blind"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites covey 0 #7 March 28, 2003 I would like to get my D so I can do a HALO jump. I wonder if they will change the requirements from a D equivalent 200 jumps to the new D in September. I can't see myself doing 200 jumps regardless of quality by then anyway. So I will just continue to jump and be happy at this point. Believe those who are seeking truth. Doubt those who find it. -Andre Gide Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dterrick 0 #8 March 28, 2003 Jack: I just had a look at the 2003 SIM and the PRO requirement is different from what you state: USPA member 500 Jumps D License 10 pre-declared jumps inside a 10 metre target. pass a written test a bunch of other little things http://www.uspa.org/Publications/SIM/SIMtext/Section7.htm#72 There is no reference to holding a D for 2 years that I can see, but if you get a D at 200 jumps, 150 jumps/year would only JUST get you to the minimum. The 'open field/level 1 ' jump does not absolutely "require" - only recommends - a D license and no time constraint is mentioned. The Level 2+ jumps DO require a PRO rating and you're stuck with 500 jumps at that point - not 200. There's no such thing as an 'open field/level 1' jump in Canada. You're lucky to have that allowance, and I bet if you had 200 "good" jumps and a C you wouldn't be turned away from the jump team if you brought your DZ a paying demo... Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheMonkey 0 #9 March 28, 2003 QuoteI'd like to play the Devil's advocate here for a minute and ask why it is so important to get your "D" in 200 jumps? a couple weeks back, clouds rolled in where i was jumping to a base of 2300 ft...they took a cessna up to do hop and pops but only if you had a D license....i am comfortable doing hop and pops from that altitude but can't b/c i only have a C license... instances like this would be a reason to hurry up and get a D before they change the requirements, imo...i am not worried about it as i will have my D well before September.... just my $0.02 - can i get change please??!!! --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamsville 0 #10 March 28, 2003 I am not a long-time veteran in this sport. 2700 feet is low enough for me. |I don't drink during the day, so I don't know what it is about this airline. I keep falling out the door of the plane. Harry, FB #4143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dterrick 0 #11 March 28, 2003 Monkeyman: FAI accuracy jumps are done from a max of 800m (2624 ft) to a minimum of 700m (2296 ft). Only an A license is required. In Canada, accuracy is one of the few disciplines an A CoP holder can do as that license does not permit RW (style is the other). Activation altitude is 2500 ft for A and 2200 ft from B onwards. The USPA shows 2500 ft for A and B holders and 2000 for C and D holders - methinks your DZO might have made a judgement call on clear and pulls generally. Totally differnt issue and I agree it sucks you were punted from the load. I wonder if the DZO "knew" that in order for the pilot to be VFR legal that he'd need to dump you well below the "2300 ft cieling" and that EVERYBODY's ticket might have been violated? It's great that you feel stable right out the door (I looove that feeling) - LALO jumps are a lot of fun. Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites HanibalHarry 0 #12 March 28, 2003 QuoteQuoteWhy not concentrate on learning well rather than just puttin up jump numbers? I totally agree, is better to have QUALITY jumps than QUANTITY, someone can just push you out of an airplane and you will tumble like a rag doll or you can ACTUALLY skydive, both are jumps, but which one is a 'REAL' jump? got it? I'm working on my 'A' but I want to EARN IT, not just jump, accumulate jumps and become a lousy skydiver, what would be the point of that? My 2 cents. Glad to see a new guy understand why old guys don't want to jump with you. Us old folk want quality jumps too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Luna 0 #13 March 28, 2003 QuoteGlad to see a new guy understand why old guys don't want to jump with you. Us old folk want quality jumps too. Speak for yourself. Maybe it's just because we are a very small DZ, but Carol Clay, the woman with the most freefall time of any woman, jumps at my DZ. She will not hesitate to pull in someone with a barely just signed-off A license to get in on her six or eight way formations. And while she designs the jump around them so that they are mostly being held and don't have to do much, she also designs the jump so that they are being challenged and learning. I mean, if we only jump with other newbies, we'll never get good enough for you to want to jump with us. Mentoring and coaching are an integral part of this sport! There is not one "old guy" at my DZ who would refuse to jump with someone just beause they are a low-timer. I'm walking a marathon to raise money for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. Click Here for more information! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamsville 0 #14 March 28, 2003 Did any veteran bother to jump with you shortly after you started, or were you just born a sky god?| I don't drink during the day, so I don't know what it is about this airline. I keep falling out the door of the plane. Harry, FB #4143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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covey 0 #7 March 28, 2003 I would like to get my D so I can do a HALO jump. I wonder if they will change the requirements from a D equivalent 200 jumps to the new D in September. I can't see myself doing 200 jumps regardless of quality by then anyway. So I will just continue to jump and be happy at this point. Believe those who are seeking truth. Doubt those who find it. -Andre Gide Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dterrick 0 #8 March 28, 2003 Jack: I just had a look at the 2003 SIM and the PRO requirement is different from what you state: USPA member 500 Jumps D License 10 pre-declared jumps inside a 10 metre target. pass a written test a bunch of other little things http://www.uspa.org/Publications/SIM/SIMtext/Section7.htm#72 There is no reference to holding a D for 2 years that I can see, but if you get a D at 200 jumps, 150 jumps/year would only JUST get you to the minimum. The 'open field/level 1 ' jump does not absolutely "require" - only recommends - a D license and no time constraint is mentioned. The Level 2+ jumps DO require a PRO rating and you're stuck with 500 jumps at that point - not 200. There's no such thing as an 'open field/level 1' jump in Canada. You're lucky to have that allowance, and I bet if you had 200 "good" jumps and a C you wouldn't be turned away from the jump team if you brought your DZ a paying demo... Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #9 March 28, 2003 QuoteI'd like to play the Devil's advocate here for a minute and ask why it is so important to get your "D" in 200 jumps? a couple weeks back, clouds rolled in where i was jumping to a base of 2300 ft...they took a cessna up to do hop and pops but only if you had a D license....i am comfortable doing hop and pops from that altitude but can't b/c i only have a C license... instances like this would be a reason to hurry up and get a D before they change the requirements, imo...i am not worried about it as i will have my D well before September.... just my $0.02 - can i get change please??!!! --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamsville 0 #10 March 28, 2003 I am not a long-time veteran in this sport. 2700 feet is low enough for me. |I don't drink during the day, so I don't know what it is about this airline. I keep falling out the door of the plane. Harry, FB #4143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dterrick 0 #11 March 28, 2003 Monkeyman: FAI accuracy jumps are done from a max of 800m (2624 ft) to a minimum of 700m (2296 ft). Only an A license is required. In Canada, accuracy is one of the few disciplines an A CoP holder can do as that license does not permit RW (style is the other). Activation altitude is 2500 ft for A and 2200 ft from B onwards. The USPA shows 2500 ft for A and B holders and 2000 for C and D holders - methinks your DZO might have made a judgement call on clear and pulls generally. Totally differnt issue and I agree it sucks you were punted from the load. I wonder if the DZO "knew" that in order for the pilot to be VFR legal that he'd need to dump you well below the "2300 ft cieling" and that EVERYBODY's ticket might have been violated? It's great that you feel stable right out the door (I looove that feeling) - LALO jumps are a lot of fun. Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HanibalHarry 0 #12 March 28, 2003 QuoteQuoteWhy not concentrate on learning well rather than just puttin up jump numbers? I totally agree, is better to have QUALITY jumps than QUANTITY, someone can just push you out of an airplane and you will tumble like a rag doll or you can ACTUALLY skydive, both are jumps, but which one is a 'REAL' jump? got it? I'm working on my 'A' but I want to EARN IT, not just jump, accumulate jumps and become a lousy skydiver, what would be the point of that? My 2 cents. Glad to see a new guy understand why old guys don't want to jump with you. Us old folk want quality jumps too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luna 0 #13 March 28, 2003 QuoteGlad to see a new guy understand why old guys don't want to jump with you. Us old folk want quality jumps too. Speak for yourself. Maybe it's just because we are a very small DZ, but Carol Clay, the woman with the most freefall time of any woman, jumps at my DZ. She will not hesitate to pull in someone with a barely just signed-off A license to get in on her six or eight way formations. And while she designs the jump around them so that they are mostly being held and don't have to do much, she also designs the jump so that they are being challenged and learning. I mean, if we only jump with other newbies, we'll never get good enough for you to want to jump with us. Mentoring and coaching are an integral part of this sport! There is not one "old guy" at my DZ who would refuse to jump with someone just beause they are a low-timer. I'm walking a marathon to raise money for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. Click Here for more information! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamsville 0 #14 March 28, 2003 Did any veteran bother to jump with you shortly after you started, or were you just born a sky god?| I don't drink during the day, so I don't know what it is about this airline. I keep falling out the door of the plane. Harry, FB #4143 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
