mikeat10500 12 #101 March 23, 2003 Quote"hey lets also add no jumping w/out gloves..goggles , altimeters...audibles" In canada one of out Basic Safety Rules is that we have to wear an altimiter. Troy A-6969 That's not exactly true...read the whole BSR... should say something like " on delays exceeding ? sec"----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #102 March 23, 2003 QuoteCould somebody please, please tell me why it's not yet illegal in either the US or the UK (or any other DZ for that matter) to jump a rig without an AAD? Because I haven't fallen faster than 75 MPH in about a year, I open at 3K, I've never lost altitude awareness on a jump, and in four years of full contact fighting, I've never been knocked out. An AAD is useless for me. A governing body is not going to take my, or anyone else's, personal experience into consideration when establishing such a law. This decision really is best left up to personal choice. If there is to be any sort of regulation, I think all student gear should have an AAD. Until everything is clicking with a new jumper, there is potential to lose altitude awareness or pass out. Even without regulation, I am willing to bet that at least 90% of the student gear in the US is AAD-equipped. I really don't think there is such a law even being considered anywhere, as the need has not been seen. Blacking out on a skydive, if it happens at all, almost always comes due to opening shock. Freefall collision knockouts are extremely rare, and people usually come to in the air. I could probably count the total number of freefall unconciousness Cypres saves on one hand, with room to spare. Even then, one finger has to go back down for the one that got knocked out, AAD fired, and they still died on impact under their reserve. I also think too many people use AADs as substitutes for altitude awareness. It's a catch 22... they claim that they need one because they might lose altitude awareness, but if they didn't have one, they'd probably pay more attention. On top of that... I can't say that I've ever fired my reserve at 170 MPH, but it can't be fun. You could blow the thing up with no way to, uh... cut away and go to your main. ;) Even 120 is going to sting you. I don't think I'm "macho" for not having an AAD, I just genuinely feel that I don't need one. If I did RW or freeflying (and I used to freefly), then I'd probably get one, as those two disciplines put you in situations where you may end up paying more attention to the activity and not the altitude. But as long as I'm flying a wingsuit, I'd really rather not have my government tell ordering me to spend $1,000 on, what is to me, a paperweight with a couple wires."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loughery 0 #103 March 23, 2003 yeah I forgot about that part. the 10 second rule! TroyTOT www.SkydiveMoncton.com To my wife: 'If you ask me to stop skydiving, you are asking me to move out!' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #104 March 24, 2003 Correcting myself... AADs ARE required on student rigs. Makes sense."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #105 March 24, 2003 Quote Could somebody please, please tell me why it's not yet illegal in either the US or the UK (or any other DZ for that matter) to jump a rig without an AAD? I think it boils down to each person's own level of acceptable risk. Some people think that jumping without an AAD is not worth the risk. Some people think that jumping a sub100sqft canopy is not worth the risk. Some people think that jumping a sub150sqft canopy is not worth the risk. Others(so I've heard) think that jumping is not worth the risk. Where do you draw the line of making things illegal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
