sdctlc 0 #1 March 1, 2003 Here is a quick question. I don't see many airlocked canopies ( i.e. jedi, samurai, lotus) around in the NW. What are you jumping in other areas around the country/world? Personally I love my Sam and think it is an awesome canopy giving outstanding performance for all aspects of flight, i.e. opening, glide and surf. It seems to fall comfortably between a "stiletto class" canopy and the "X-braced" canopies. I just want to get a feel for both the general feel towards airlocked canopies, and how may are out there! Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #2 March 1, 2003 You forgot the option "Don't have an Airlocked canopy, but really want one" My next canopies to demo after I am done with my Stiletto will be a Crossfire2 (non-airlocked), Vengeance and a Samurai. From everyone I have talked to that has jumped said canopies, I will probably end up on the Samurai if the demo flies as well as everyone else says it does. I like the idea of a more rigid and efficient airfoil. While airlocks aren't any quarantee against turbulence and bad winds, I will take even the small increase in stability as an Oklahoma jumper.Kris Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mickb 0 #3 March 1, 2003 I love my sam in my opinion the best there is my next canopy will be another sam and the one after that another sam Fear is that little darkroom where negatives are developed. Michael Pritchard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #4 March 1, 2003 There are a ton of them around Colorado, but that is probably cause Brian G used to live here. They are a very nice little canopy, personally I like my crossfire, but I'm not against recommending them to people.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #5 March 1, 2003 QuoteYou forgot the option "Don't have an Airlocked canopy, but really want one" Also forgot, "Jump an airlocked, but not one of Brian's." I jump a Vengeance. I enjoy it very much. The more I jump and learn, the longer the swoops. Opening forces are great, but you do have to fly every opening to opening. I see it as a nice intermediate step before a x-braced canopy.Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #6 March 1, 2003 I love love love my Jedei. Absolutely a blast to fly, and I get decent swoops without even trying. The best way I can describe how it flies is "intuitively", meaning, it does exactly what I expect it to do when I give it an input, in the exact way that I want it to. My next one will definitely be a Samurai...no question.Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #7 March 1, 2003 Once I out grow my Jedei I'll probally get a Sensei. I love my airlocks now that I'm flying them. Its a bit weird doing a stall and nothing collapses right away.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #8 March 1, 2003 I guess I did forget a couple of choices My understanding is that the vengance is based on Brians design, of course tweekend by John. When PD got the agreement in place with Brian to use his Airlock technology, was that not what opened the door for them to manufacturer the Samurai for Brian. That is unless you are lucky to have a Signature Series, thanks Bri! Other than the mentioned canopies I am not sure if there is another sport parachute that has airlocks jumped on a regular basis. There may be but I cant think of one. Blue Ones, Scott C. "He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #9 March 1, 2003 Soon to be regular basis will be the Shogun and Sensei... I hope at least...Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheneyneel 0 #10 March 2, 2003 I jump a jedei 105 DOM 97 I only jump it because I got it off of ebay for $400 I think that I wingload it too much,,2.3:1 for this canopy though.. But it flies really well.. I like cross braced alot so I am very interested in B Germains new HP canopy.. But the airlocks seem? maybe to help? Maybe more because of my wing loading?? But it hasent acted much different than the traditional open cell elipticals with newer nose styles.. But I only know as much as a 150 jumps on old airlock can tell me with out anyone around to give me input about what to test and see what makes it different?other than B germains website.. I dont really know anyone else that jumps airlock on the Florida,Ala, and Miss pan handle gulf area.. I can still get the same swoop out of crossfires and stilleto all day long if not more.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #11 March 2, 2003 Just remember, the Crossfire was'nt even designed yet in 97 what that canopy was new... also thats overloading it, Jedei's I was told fly at their maximum at about 1.9-2.0, anything over that and you are over the proformance crest. I picked up my 136 for 600 here on DZ.com and it was the best purchase I've made yet. Canopy flight under it almost thoughtless. Just think and it happens. The Lotus is like a rock solid Sabre2. Only issue I have is collapsing it on windy days. I am yet to master that trick Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #12 March 2, 2003 Quote Only issue I have is collapsing it on windy days. I am yet to master that trick But at least it made great entertainment for the rest of us to watch you try to collapse it after landing a couple of weekends back!KrisSky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirils 1 #13 March 2, 2003 I've jumped a Jedei and a Vengence...the airlock concept sounds good, but where is the imperical evidence to show they are superior in any way? You can keep your bulky airlocks,,,when their performance comes close to my Xaos, maybe I'll think about airlocks. Until then I tink airlocks are just a gimmic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #14 March 2, 2003 a friend of mine has a vengence. i have about 50 or so jumps under it. it's a 97. i liked it. it was a good canopy. the swoops were really good, and openings great. just a bitch to deflate on windy days. that was my favorite canopy until i got my fx. there are a couple at my dz. like 3. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #15 March 2, 2003 Where is the evidence to show that Crossbraces help in turblence? They are not designed to be extreme high proformance swooping canopies (not until the Sensei at least) but more of a canopy that Brian wanted to own for him self and works nice as a high proformance canopy. The recovery arc on them is longer then the original class of canopies that it is coupled with so the swoopers at the time used that. As for bulky, by Jedei packs smaller then the same Stiletto... There is a reason that the Jedei cult is still around... (recent inductie myself)Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyguy 0 #16 March 3, 2003 Bummer you sold the Xaos man. It is a different ballgame. But if you like the canopy flight, and swoopishness, it is cooler than cool. But, on that beotch, once a little x brace is open, only thing you think about, is landing. It comes down. I like to hang in the sky too. But once you yank a front riser, I love the vertical view. Sweet. Oh, They are the most efficient wings out there too. That says a lot to me. I floated big time on some dude with a 170 sabre the other day. Efficiency is cool. ---------------------------- bzzzz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #17 March 3, 2003 Phree, you and I can sit around and gush about our Jedeis and leave the cross-brace folks to themselves. Mine was made in 96, on of Brian's prototypes, actually custom buit for Chuck Karchers. You said it right...it's "thoughtless" in flight...just think and it happens. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joshjumps 0 #18 March 3, 2003 Quote I guess I did forget a couple of choices My understanding is that the vengance is based on Brians design, of course tweekend by John. When PD got the agreement in place with Brian to use his Airlock technology, was that not what opened the door for them to manufacturer the Samurai for Brian. That is unless you are lucky to have a Signature Series, thanks Bri! Other than the mentioned canopies I am not sure if there is another sport parachute that has airlocks jumped on a regular basis. There may be but I cant think of one. Blue Ones, Scott C. Actually the vengeance is completely PD's creation, the only thing it has in common with Brian's canopies is the airlock which he licensed to them. As far as Brian's canopies go...give them a try you will be surprised by how much you like them! Josh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #19 March 4, 2003 I loved both the Lotus and the Sam. Have jumped the Vengeance as well. I prefer the Sam over the Vengeance. I'm hoping to get a Sam 150 by the end of the year, but I am hearing some very good things about the Crossfire2. But if I had the money, I would purchase a Sam right now._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #20 March 4, 2003 How about the Lotus as a canopy for a novice (NOT student)? I'm trying to find out as much as I can about all sorts of gear...-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #21 March 4, 2003 If you can/do fly a Sabre2/Hornet/Safire the Lotus is perfect.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #22 March 4, 2003 IIRC - Brian made the Lotus so the non-eliptical market had airlocks. From the 4 or 5 jumps I made on the Lotus, it seemed it was in the same arena as the Sabre 2._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
