PhreeZone 20 #51 January 7, 2003 >I think it's interesting that both parties in question (one for and one agaisnt) are DZOs. I think its more interesting that the DZO that I doubt his DZ can host the Nationals is the one thats standing up the most for the members. Nationals will be limited to only a few DZ's just due to their size anymore. A lot of the larger DZ's that run on grass strips will not be able to handle them also. What I'm wondering about is by getting a lot of people from one area(East Coast, West Coast, FL, where ever) if thats going to make them favor holding it locally to them or if they will still go with what offers the best offer to the jumpers.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #52 January 7, 2003 Split the Nationals. Classics in one place. Formation skydiving in another. Artistic events some place else. That way more DZs could participate. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #53 January 7, 2003 QuoteSplit the Nationals. Classics in one place. Formation skydiving in another. Artistic events some place else. That way more DZs could participate. Chris I think that is a great idea. You need to run in the next election. I will vote for you.Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #54 January 7, 2003 QuoteQuoteI would like to see a DZO from a small cessna dropzone on the board. They don't seem to be heard very often. Are many small DZ's owned by one person? I'm asking because most of the small DZ's I've been to are club operations. Speaking as 1/7th of a "DZO" (I'm on the club BOD), it would be hard for one of us to run, since we're pretty remote, and the base of voters is much smaller. But I agree, since ours is run as a non-profit organization, it would be interesting to have someone on the board who knows the particular trials and tribulations of DZ's that are operated this way, as well as the issues that skydivers who jump at those DZ's face. There was nothing stopping any of you "Cessna" DZOs from throwing your hats in the ring.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #55 January 7, 2003 >Split the Nationals. Classics in one place. Formation skydiving in another. Artistic events some place else. That way more DZs could participate. I like the idea, since it seemed like no one really showed up to be at the awards for the artistic events this last year anyways since as soon as RW was done the place cleared out. Psst... Don't forget the real freaks... us CRW Dawgs and puppies!Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #56 January 7, 2003 QuoteSplit the Nationals. Classics in one place. Formation skydiving in another. Artistic events some place else. That way more DZs could participate. Chris It would be a pain for those who participate in more than one discipline - there were a number of crossovers between FS and artistic last year, and where would you put sport accuracy?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #57 January 7, 2003 If I remember right before about 2-3 years go Nationals were always split. There was nothing form keeping all the places from having the events at different times of the year. I seem to remember Skydive Dallas did the artistic stuff for a long time when it was only freestyle and skysurf. There are plenty of nice weather weeks in the summer and fall that would work just fine for most the events. A long weekend would probally be enough for the artisitc events and since an Otter or 2 would be all thats needed at the max a lot of DZ's could host that section, CRW needs an Otter or other similar plane and that leaves about any DZ able to host them and the classics. RW would be the only one that would still take a decent sized DZ to handel.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #58 January 7, 2003 QuotePsst... Don't forget the real freaks... us CRW Dawgs and puppies! DOH!!! Sorry. Didn't mean to. Hey, if people want to cross over then that is their individual choice. But if the vast majority want DZs other than Perris, Eloy, SDC, and DeLand to be able to hold a Nationals event then sacrifices will be made. There are always trade offs. Me run for the BOD? Oh no. I have enough on my plate with my union and researching for my website.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #59 January 7, 2003 But, but...I'm not a DZO. We don't HAVE a DZO/DZM. Don't get me started on the wisdom of that (or lack thereof). True, there is nothing stopping us. Except perhaps logistics and investment, which is a daunting thing. I'm just struggling finding a Coach course within a 1000 mile radius...I can't imagine running for a regional director slot against people who are either DZO's of a bigger DZ or supported by one. My "fan base" in the region would consist of probably 30-40 USPA members who would actually vote. Just to get the petition signatures I'd have to travel to Dallas, and all over west Texas (no offense to you west Texans) and they don't even know me in those places. QuoteI heard of alot of smaller dz's that just didn't have the staff to accomodate all this and its harder to retain students. So true. My DZ is severely understaffed. We hold an FJC almost every weekend, but since the instructors are all tied up with that (we lost two to their tandem ratings this year...no more FJCs for them), the returning students sit on the ground while manifest calls the severely burned out "old-timer" instructors to come throw a 3rd S/L student out of the plane. Seriously, 2 of our instructors are over 70!!! They don't like/can't handle the "all weekend every weekend at the DZ" thing anymore. But read the upcoming ratings courses section in Parachutist, and all of the coach courses in the coming months are on the east coast. We're po' folk in New Mexico, we can't afford to travel that far. Hopefully DJan has one in CO soon that we can go to. I really want my coach rating, but part of me is hesitant. Will I get burned out, too?Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #60 January 7, 2003 Quote>Split the Nationals. Classics in one place. Formation skydiving in another. Artistic events some place else. That way more DZs could participate. I like the idea, since it seemed like no one really showed up to be at the awards for the artistic events this last year anyways since as soon as RW was done the place cleared out. Psst... Don't forget the real freaks... us CRW Dawgs and puppies! it was a purely economic decision to hold the nationals at the same time in the same venue. And not so much so for the competitors as the event staffing and the like. In theory this keeps the registration prices at a lower rate (for example, look at the registration price for the collegiates -- smaller participation, same fixed costs = higher registration $$) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canopywhore 0 #61 January 8, 2003 just in case anybody talks you into running, Ill vote for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #62 January 8, 2003 Thanks....but I think we're in different regions! Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mustard 0 #63 January 8, 2003 Well, mark it on your calendar, BikerBabe! We will have a coach course March 14-16 at Brush, and I will make sure you have the chance to get your jumps in, even if we have to travel to Eloy to get them (what a sacrifice!). Order your SIM and IRM from USPA and read what the course is all about. I'm going off to the USPA BOD meeting in Jacksonville in just over two weeks, and I'm sure I'll come back with some interesting information to share with everyone. Unfortunately, New Mexico is not in the Mountain region, but I think you're on skydive-announce, right? if not, go to http://www.skyrush.com/mailman/listinfo. -- everything I learn will be available there. Maybe we can redraw those areas and get NM in this region. You're a *lot* closer than those guys in Idaho! (Edited to remove email address on request of owner. ~ sangiro) *** DJan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
