2cents 0 #1 November 17, 2002 A very close friend to me was trying to get all of his requirements signed off for his c license. When the owner/instructor of the dz we frequent saw his log book he made several small comments about the accuracy of what was in it, No big deal my friend thought even though he was a little disturbed about this mistrust. By the way no one has ever had any reason to mistrust this person he is the straightest arrow I know. The owner signed off on the list and my friend went on his way. The next time my friend was in the dz the owners wife made several very mean comments toward him she had said something about his magical 4 way that took place at another dz. My friend then asked her if he needed to get all of the people in that four way to sign it off. She wasn't even phased by this and said no they both went on there ways. Previous to all of this about by a month he was in a 8 way at this very small dz so I cant understand why she and her husband thought he would bs it just to get a license. Is this just a very bad case of jealousy? I am new to all of this but it seems to me like a very good way to lose good business. I might be wrong. Please feel free to correct me. Anyway thank to all of you out there that have been a great source of information and entertainment in my short time in this sport. There are some very good people in this sport but when I run across people such as this it is very disturbing to me. We all share something very special and in common with each other I don't know why people seem to forget this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyboyblue 0 #2 November 17, 2002 IMHO, if the guy going for the license was fibbing on his log book, it'll catch up to him someday when he gets cut from a big way (or worse, get hurt) because he'd padded his skills in a log book. doesn't sound that way tho. as for the DZO, they don't see every jump everyone makes and can't verify everything that happens. maybe he just hasn't seen this particular jumper excel, and was in a little disbelief. Jumps are signed by a witness, so if the jumper ought to log the right stuff, the signer ought to be able and verify what he wrote, and the DZO ought to believe what he sees in a log book. but that's not always the case... sbb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #3 November 17, 2002 What do you mean??? Isnt the skydiving community all 1 big happy familly??? (yes, that was sarcasm! lol) Mayve the DZO and his wife were in a bad mood that day. Maybe that friend of urs flirted with the wrong person. Maybe he's not cool enough. Maybe he's too cool. There can be lots of politics and personal agendas in DZs, maybe it was the 1st time it hit home for you and ur friend... sad but true...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2cents 0 #4 November 17, 2002 Quote There can be lots of politics and personal agendas in DZs, maybe it was the 1st time it hit home for you and ur friend... sad but true... I guess i was dreaming in a very big way about all of the people in this sport. I thought of it like our own personal heaven sort of. There are some really awesome people in skydiving. So anyone want to sell me a bridge? It seems like I would buy it!! Thanks for your incite I was a little to angry to realize the obvious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #5 November 17, 2002 It is a heaven of sorts, and we have some fallen angels. Just like the other heaven. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #6 November 17, 2002 Quote What do you mean??? Isnt the skydiving community all 1 big happy familly??? If you replace happy with disfunctional I think you've hit the nail on the head. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #7 November 20, 2002 ...Maybe the "friend" logged an 8 way out of a C-182, which for some odd reason raised the eybrow of the DZO.... -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #8 November 20, 2002 Why would that be odd? I have been on plentyof 8-ways where I exited a C-182. Of course it was a two-cessna formation, but I see no reason why a person would have to write that anywhere. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #9 November 20, 2002 QuoteWhy would that be odd? I have been on plentyof 8-ways where I exited a C-182. I once did a 16 way out of a c-182. THAT was fun. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2cents 0 #10 November 21, 2002 The 8-way was out of two c-182's at the same dz that questioned him about a four way at another dz that he had done. Sorry if i hadnt explained that clearly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #11 November 21, 2002 might have been upset because he jumped at dz #2. It's not what's on paper anyway it's what you can do. Buy the dzo a beer and forget about it. If it keeps up find a friendly dz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yardhippie 0 #12 November 21, 2002 Quote I guess i was dreaming in a very big way about all of the people in this sport. I thought of it like our own personal heaven sort of. There are some really awesome people in skydiving. So anyone want to sell me a bridge? It seems like I would buy it!! Thanks for your incite I was a little to angry to realize the obvious. Tell me about it, my old home DZ is now my backup DZ. It used to be so, relaxing and easy going, but now its just feels stiff. No one sticks around after dark, everyone shows up at 9 and a load wont go up till 11. If you dont like the feel, there are other great places to go. I drive 2 hours to 'feel' good about the place I jump.Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD "What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me "Anything you want." ~ female skydiver Mohoso Rodriguez #865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #13 November 21, 2002 I've seen plenty of log "inflation" over the years. One guy routinely "made" 1000 jumps in a couple of weeks. Depended on who he was trying to impress. As an S&TA I've been presented with logs that were laughable. Best case, all the accuracy in the same pen, different from the various pens used to log the jumps. He was then mad when "peas" weren't good enough. The pea pit is 15 yards wide. Same guy made sure of the version # of the C test I had when he called to set up the appointment, then hit the roof when he found out he had to take A through C to get his C as his first license. He'd obviously memorized the C test answers for that version. He was jumping mainly at another DZ, we all knew his skill level when he left. I told him not to come back to me for a D, to get it at his home DZ. I know the DZ owner. He's got a pretty good BS meter. No jealousy involved. I don't know who the jumper was but the doubt was probably deserved.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2cents 0 #14 November 22, 2002 Two things 1. Thank you for responding to this posting. Thank you for sharing your experience on this matter. I'm sure plenty of forgery goes on out there. In my opinion those who need to do such a thing are jumping for all of the wrong reasons. 2. I strongly disagree with your blind statement of " I don't know who the jumper was but the doubt was probably deserved." The jumper in question isn't gaining anything except a c and what does that really mean to most part time jumpers? All it meant is he would have to right the uspa another check! Please don't get mad with me disagreeing. It isn't my intention. In retrospect i probably shouldn't have started this thread. I fear that some will take this personal now but its already in motion! Please also lets make the dz remain unnamed this shouldn't be a slam session for a dz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #15 November 22, 2002 Actually.. a C licence will get you into a coach course, let you get a SL JM rating and a few other things.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2cents 0 #16 November 22, 2002 I know a c has its perks but for a someone who only jumps on the weekends and doesn't think he is ready to be a jm a c is only a letter. Again just my opinion of this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
