davelepka 4 #1 July 3, 2003 Here's the point - I'm willing to bet most responses are for #1, which means that for most jumpers, the only point you actually need attach is the chest strap. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE HANDLE ONE ATTACHMENT POINT? LETS START PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT WE ARE DOING, AND STOP FALLING OUT OF OUR RIGS. ONE ATACHMENT POINT, THATS ALL. Thanks for reading this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulagc 0 #2 July 3, 2003 Good point. I used to think how dumb, who could really not hook up their chest strap. Until one day in the plane as part of my gear check, I find that it's not throught the friction adaptor, just the elastic keeper. Now, I pulling on my check strap (not just looking at it) a REAL important part of my gear check. But, in response to your poll, I actually untread my leg straps to put my rig on. It just seems easier. I know it's pretty rare and people at my DZ make fun of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #3 July 3, 2003 What I do is hang my helmet to the chest strap when I go to the plane (and check it), then check it again when I put my helmet on before take off, when I hang it on again after my pro track gave a sign of life and again before putting my helmet on again before jumping... I know it seems ridiculous to check it Min. 4 times... but I don't want to : -fall out of my rig -get busted and have to pay for beer at my DZ ;-) -get busted and be grounded on other DZ's ;-) but now the question is... who never arrived rushing at the plane cause they didn't hear the call, without checking the gear etc etc etc... I'm only human, of flesh and blood I'm maaaade---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 July 3, 2003 It's really pretty simple. Is the loose end of the strap in the elastic keeper and not twisted? Can you touch the buckle? If so, it's routed properly, if not, then the strap is just going over the buckle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #5 July 3, 2003 Quote Here's the point - I'm willing to bet most responses are for #1, which means that for most jumpers, the only point you actually need attach is the chest strap. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE HANDLE ONE ATTACHMENT POINT? LETS START PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT WE ARE DOING, AND STOP FALLING OUT OF OUR RIGS. ONE ATACHMENT POINT, THATS ALL. FWIW, I don't undo my chest strap either. I toss the rig on like a pullover and put my feet through the legstraps; I take it off in reverse order. It's not so much a safety issue - I'm just lazy. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #6 July 3, 2003 I used to do that when I was skinnier. And to the poller, yes there is an other. Quick ejectors.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murrays 0 #7 July 4, 2003 QuoteAnd to the poller, yes there is an other. Quick ejectors. Yep, I saw a rig with quick ejectors this weekend...hadn't seen them for two decades.-- Murray "No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #8 July 4, 2003 What are quick ejectors? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #9 July 4, 2003 go to www.paragear.com and search for quick ejector. The pictures aren't very good but there is a lever that is part of the back of the snap. By pulling is out away from the body is pushes the ring out of the snap so you can unsnap it with one hand. I assume they were first developed for military pilot rigs but I'm not sure. Didn't have time to look it up. They allow you to get out of the harness easier. My first rig, a Crossbow, had them. They were available into the 1980's as an option on rigs and are still available on pilot rigs. I found a picture to attach.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 July 4, 2003 I leave all of them threaded and expanded out to the stops.. then I just step thru ALL of them, and then cinch them up to the desired comfort level. I HATE trying to find my chest strap buckle under my bustline and tryig to thread it when I cant see it. I opted for a low chest strap under my bust because the rental/student rig I started jumping with in March with the strap over my breasts just hurt too much on opening. My old rig from 24 years ago had a belly band and was comfortable so I had my Infinity custom made and Kelly Farrington of Velocity Sports has done a wonderfull job with a harness that fits and is comfortable and SAFE. Amazon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #11 July 5, 2003 I Check my gear multiple times on the way to the plane and on the way up! I have a hook knife that I lace my chest strap thru (no , I'm not a CReW dawg) thats the first time i check my strap. then I put tighten my leg straps, my alti and hang my helmet form my cheststrap. in the way to the plane I I usually check again ( i put my goggle son most of the time-they are straped to my helmet) while in the plane I check while and after I use the seatbelt ( i pull the chest strap to make sure its not gonna slip) then I check again by Pulling it away from my chest as I do my final gear check before exit. but SHHH- when I do these self-checks I do a visual check on everyone else in the plane( dont tell them or they may get mad! LOL)My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #12 July 5, 2003 QuoteWhat are quick ejectors? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quick ejector snaps are similar to B-12 snaps, but they can be quickly disconnected by pulling on a lever. QE Snaps are more trouble than they are worth. The only place you will find QE snaps on modern skydiving gear is the side straps on tandems, because QEs are easy to disconnect after opening. Unfortunately the little springs inside QE snaps wear out long before any other hardware. The military solved the broken spring problem by designing a screw-on version of QE snaps, but they cost US$49 each! Ouch! The other problem with QEs occurs when things get weak, loose, rusty or dirty (and no I was not referring to skydivers' morals) then it gets too easy to leave the plane with QEs half-cocked. In a worst case scenario, a line snags a half-cocked QE, opening it as you deploy. Yehaa! More thrill for your skydiving dollar! This half-cocked phenomenon is so bad that Pilot Emergency Parachute (PEP) industry leader Manley Butler insists on customers signing additional waivers if they ask him to sew QEs into their PEP harness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #13 July 5, 2003 I know a jumper in Ca. with over 7000 jumps, all with quick ejectors. They are like any other part of your rig, if you take care of them and pay attention they will give you years of service. The step through design used in most of todays rigs is there for ease of manufactuer only. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #14 July 5, 2003 QuoteThe step through design used in most of todays rigs is there for ease of manufactuer only. Yup. I used to have some step-throughs that had the hardware on the back of the legs (I bruise easily), and they were wonderful. I really can't see the reason for step-through on the front other than the minimal savings. Imagine trying to hook up B-12's on the back of your leg if you wonder why step-throughs make more sense there Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites