Push 0 #1 June 12, 2003 Want to speculate? Ask questions? Discuss the merits of CPR? Here's the place. Some questions to get us started: How was the landing pattern set up? How many jumpers were on the load? Who opened where? Who organized the load? What would be the preferred organization of the load? What was the landing pattern? What should I do if someone collapses my canopy at 50' AGL? Anything I should know about receiving CPR? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #2 June 12, 2003 I'd be leery of anyone that tries to give advice on how to give CPR, or any other medical training like that over the net. Go get trained from professionals in the flesh. I'm interested in the canopy collapse at 50 feet though, don't mind me. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #3 June 12, 2003 "Want to speculate? Ask questions?" Incident Forum Posting Rule # 1: "The purpose of this forum is to report, discuss and learn from fatal and serious non-fatal incidents." No rule against speculation, no rules against questions. That would be my question - why not ask or specualte over in the Roger Nelson incident thread?? -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #4 June 12, 2003 Didn't you just say that having two threads on two messageboards that talk about the same thing is bad? -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #5 June 12, 2003 I didn't start this thread. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #6 June 12, 2003 QuoteI'd be leery of anyone that tries to give advice on how to give CPR, or any other medical training like that over the net. Go get trained from professionals in the flesh. So true. Even if you have printed instructions on how to perform CPR, big deal. You need to have hands-on training. I say this as a CPR instructor. I'm also an instructor for First Aid and AED usage. I'm always happy to certify fellow jumpers. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #7 June 12, 2003 Quick thought - Sunnyone, can you certify a bunch of us at once? How about at a boogie, say, maybe the Eloy one? I know, there will be lots of fun and games, but this is something which folks need to know. I was certified, but it's lapsed... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #8 June 12, 2003 QuoteI'd be leery of anyone that tries to give advice on how to give CPR, or any other medical training like that over the net. Go get trained from professionals in the flesh. I'm interested in the canopy collapse at 50 feet though, don't mind me True, but I find it funny that people think they can get skydiving instruction/coaching from here as well."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #9 June 12, 2003 rofl - so true... "How do I fly headdown..."seems to be a pretty popular one - and although explainable, much much safer with a coach imho... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #10 June 12, 2003 QuoteQuick thought - Sunnyone, can you certify a bunch of us at once? How about at a boogie, say, maybe the Eloy one? I know, there will be lots of fun and games, but this is something which folks need to know. I was certified, but it's lapsed... I actually LOVE being a CPR instructor. I like thinking i teach people a skill that might in turn help save a life. Anyhoo, it takes about 4 hours to certify a group of about 20 peeps. My time is of course free, but i think it would cost around $8-$10 a person just for the paperwork fees and stuff. Those fees are charged straight from the Red Cross. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #11 June 12, 2003 [QUOTE]True, but I find it funny that people think they can get skydiving instruction/coaching from here as well. [/QUOTE] explaining a new mod on a high performance canopy, how to position your legs in freefall, what type of helmet is the best for XYZ, etc is hardly instructing someone on how to position one's head/neck so as not to paralyze them for life during first aid. Think about it. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #12 June 13, 2003 Quoteexplaining a new mod on a high performance canopy, how to position your legs in freefall, what type of helmet is the best for XYZ, etc is hardly instructing someone on how to position one's head/neck so as not to paralyze them for life during first aid. Think about it. Really???? I don't think you get it. Yes, you can talk about gear, but the legs in freefall part is what I am talking about. Its almost impossible to teach over this group. If you can't understand that...you are the reason that I bring this up. Plus you don't know squat about the people on here....You can look at my profile, and read what I have written before, but I have seen MANY AFF students here that can talk a good game, but are only repeating what they were told like a parrot. This is not the place to try and learn how to DO anything. It can be used to learn more about gear...But not work on skills, life saving or otherwise. Ron"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #13 June 13, 2003 [QUOTE]This is not the place to try and learn how to DO anything.[/QUOTE] You got that right, its a lot more fun to actually skydive than to talk about skydiving --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flailchick 0 #14 June 14, 2003 There are things that you can learn on here - like if you are not trained in EMS, please do not touch the patient. Immediately call 9-1-1 or make sure that someone has already called. Find out if someone in the area is trained in first aid or EMS. Most large DZ's have a first aid bag and designated staff on hand. Make sure that manifest knows that there has been an accident so that they can alert the emergency care staff. The best thing you can do for your self and your buddies is take a firstaid and CPR class. Especially if you base jump in remote areas where a simple limb fracture can be a huge problem. Most cities offer classes through the Red Cross or Parks & Rec. If you're at a small dz, where everyone helps with everything - talk to the dzo about your emergency plan. Make sure you have a plan, who to call, who has any type of medical or first aid training. Make sure you have a plan before you ever need it. Just my thoughts on this whole tragic turn of events... Lori Paramedic for a large city fire department, first responder at Skydive Arizona, CPR instructor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #15 June 15, 2003 And above all else....remain calm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #16 June 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteQuick thought - Sunnyone, can you certify a bunch of us at once? How about at a boogie, I was certified, but it's lapsed... I actually LOVE being a CPR instructor. I like thinking i teach people a skill that might in turn help save a life. Anyhoo, it takes about 4 hours to certify a group of about 20 peeps. My time is of course free, but i think it would cost around $8-$10 a person just for the paperwork fees and stuff. Those fees are charged straight from the Red Cross. I think this is a great idea, I too was certified and am now lapsed. I've had two incidents in which I used my CPR training and now have a 50/50 record. What if we hooked you up at WFFC in Rantoul?skydiveTaylorville.org freefallbeth@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #17 June 16, 2003 I've used my "CPR" training and I'm probably at less than 10%....but that's people that have walked out of the hospital. I've probably treated close to 200 full arrests over the years. I've saved probably close to 50% but most do not make it out of the hospital alive. but i got em there alive.... like flailer said...key is be calm and dont touch the pt if you dont know what to do. you can do more damage than good. be safe out there, marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
