stuartjl 0 #1 June 4, 2003 Why is it that there is not more emphasis on canopy control for AFF students. Shouldn't there be atleast one more level to cover canopy control to reduce the number of landing injuries? Is this being considered? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #2 June 4, 2003 I agree that there should be MUCH more emphasis on canopy control, since the most injuries and deaths today are under canopy. I'm gonna try and take a canopy controll class this summer. Throughout my static-line progression there was no real emphasis on canopy flight. The biggist thing was FLARE. I've been taking ideas from here and applying them to my flights. I've learned next to nothing about flight at the DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuartjl 0 #3 June 4, 2003 The argument i hear is that the average injured jumper has 1000 jumps (2002 anyway) but if these skills were drilled into you at the start like the principle of 'pull and flare' then the discipline is with you for life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #4 June 4, 2003 correct me if I'm wrong but the ISP includes pretty extensive canopy control sections. Its just your instructors fault if he/she isn't teaching you canopy control skills. Asking questions worked for me, but then again my instructor was pretty good about talking about EVERYTHING, including canopy control. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuartjl 0 #5 June 4, 2003 All AFF includes a small element of canopy but the point is that it is insufficient. Asking lots of questions is great for all aspects of development but poor canopy skills are rife amongst fresh jumpers. The option should atleast exist for a student to opt for an additional one or two jumps just on canopy control, this is not the case at the moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #6 June 4, 2003 I've only been to 2 DZ's but I have the impression that the majority of DZ's don't teach you much about emergency canopy maneuvering especially flat turns, unless you specifically ask. And most students aren't going to even know to ask. I really think that DZ's should recommend opening an account here at DZ.com to help them along the way, it did miracles for me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuartjl 0 #7 June 5, 2003 it is certainly true to say that many DZs just put people in the air and don't take much responsibility for anything else but at the end of the day there's no substitute for experience. I found that occasionally pulling high and experimenting with my canopy helped me to understand what is possible and how to actually fly it rather than just get back to mother earth. Be Safe... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luna 0 #8 June 5, 2003 QuoteI've only been to 2 DZ's but I have the impression that the majority of DZ's don't teach you much about emergency canopy maneuvering especially flat turns Well, the ISP requires you to do braked turns and braked landing patterns, as well as rear and front riser turns, "reverse canopy turns" which involve a 90 degree turn in one direction followed by a deep 180 in the opposite direction (object to find out what kind of input will induce line twists), as well as flaring to a dynamic and full stall (up high) and practice flares to find out how best to flare your canopy (up high). Maybe I'm off-base, but if you put much more canopy instruction into AFF, you won't need a canopy control class anymore. The only downside to the AFF canopy control objectives is that they are self-checked, meaning your instructor doesn't fly with you to observe, as they often do during a canopy control clinic. I think that a lot of DZ's are just not teaching what is in the ISP. I'm walking a marathon to raise money for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. Click Here for more information! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #9 June 5, 2003 Quotecorrect me if I'm wrong but the ISP includes pretty extensive canopy control sections. Its just your instructors fault if he/she isn't teaching you canopy control skills. Asking questions worked for me, but then again my instructor was pretty good about talking about EVERYTHING, including canopy control. There are plenty of places that will not leave you hanging; Raeford is one of them. The ISP does a fine job of setting up students for success under canopy so long as the individual instructor teaching has the requisite teaching ability and experience in all modes of canopy flight. I think I have that covered, as do plenty of other people running schools. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkySlut 0 #10 June 5, 2003 On top of using the ISP, Skydive New England has a canopy control seminar that is mandatory for all people looking to get their A license. Its a couple of hours long, it goes until everyone has their questions answered anyways. They usually have them every friday night and its pretty informal, pizza, etc. I thought that was a really good thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #11 June 5, 2003 -Slut, Do you find that many people try to avoid/skip/pencil whip this? And do you see a difference in the flying safety of the newbies? I've got a bazillion questions for you...can I put them into coherent form and pm them to you? (sometime later tonight?) Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkySlut 0 #12 June 5, 2003 There is absolutely no way that anyone can either skip or pencil whip...the only way I could think that someone would is to quit jumping there...If you want to get your A license at SNE, they it is mandatory. A SNE instructor will not sign off an A license candidate unless it has been noted on the A license card that they have attended the seminar. The card needs to be signed by the instructor that gave the course. We also find that many post A license jumpers attend. Its a weird bonding thing with newer jumpers and older jumpers. Pretty cool actually. Feel free to PM me with any other questions! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #13 June 5, 2003 QuoteFeel free to PM me with any other questions! I will... I do have to get into the office pretty quickly, and have a long day, so it will be more likely this evening. But look for it...and thanks, 'Slut! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #14 June 6, 2003 In the good old days you'd progress from a round to a square by borrowing a rig from a friend, who would instruct you from his/her personal experience/opinions. Or not. People mostly learned by their mistakes, either getting hurt or yelled at. Traffic control never discussed beyond the most obvious, which is not to fly 180 degrees into the face of everyone else, which would earn you a "lurking death" reputation. I've got a few hundred jumps on the older squares, but I'll be taking a canopy course just to review the stuff I should know anyway as well as to learn the new stuff, because today's canopies do fly quite differently. Getting it to open is only half the game. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
