WayneRATS 0 #1 June 1, 2003 yep looking for someone to write one for me LOL went unstable (ended up on me ass) on a 5 sec delay ... kicked my legs and everything *how embarrassing* want to get belly down on my next one any quick ways to recover and any ways i can practice while i'm not at the dz? cheers in advance Wayne (the pain)------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #2 June 1, 2003 Congratulations on your first sit-fly! It only gets better now. A good way to regain stability is the delta postion, but you won't be doing that on 5s delays. To get a nice, stable exit, practice arching on the ground (muscle memory) and remember to look up at the plane as you leave it. Besides causing your body to arch, this also gives that amazing "wow, did I just jump out of an airplane?" feeling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #3 June 1, 2003 Ok here it is: Essay: How to arch By: CrazyIvan R E L A X The End__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #4 June 1, 2003 Way we was told - imagine you're trying to shag a leper through a letter box ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #5 June 1, 2003 QuoteOk here it is: Essay: How to arch By: CrazyIvan R E L A X The End Hey! That's my essay on how to freefly. You cheat! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #6 June 1, 2003 QuoteEssay: How to arch By: CrazyIvan R E L A X Chapter 2: Why it works Because if you let the wind blow your arms and legs up, then you're guaranteed to stay stable. Imagine the badminton birdie -- the feathers go last, right? So make sure arms & legs are featherlike. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katiebear21 0 #7 June 1, 2003 Like everyone else said, "RELAX". On top of that, stretch on the ground. Lay on your belly and reach back with one arm and pull your legs toward your back while stabilizing yourself and pushing your upper body up with your other arm. (Stretching by Skycat!) More importantly, VISUALIZE. Like Wendy said, let the air put you in a natural arch. When you're falling at 120mph your body really does want to arch. Just try not to fight it. Keep it up and don't get frustrated! You picked a good place to ask for advice! Katie Get your PMS glass necklace here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meadman 0 #8 June 2, 2003 i had the same problem with ass flying on my first delays. My problems was my legs were all kicked back but my hand were way out above my head catching all the air, toppleing me over everytime. So instead of forcing my legs back, i just relaxed them to catch a bit more drag, and lowered my hands to below ear level, to catch a little less. It really helped flaten me out coming off the hill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #9 June 2, 2003 QuoteLay on your belly and reach back with one arm and pull your legs toward your back while stabilizing yourself and pushing your upper body up with your other arm. OUCH [Mr Mackey voice] "This is why we freefly. Mmm-Kay" Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #10 June 2, 2003 it has to be said i'm not the floppiest of men ------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #11 June 2, 2003 if i relax tho i tend to de- arch .. i felt myself toppling backward.. head over feet slowly.. if this happens again what would be my best corse of action? was it that my legs wern't out far enough?------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #12 June 2, 2003 i don't know what you're jumping from, but we were told to watch the plane fly away... works good from a cessna. if you can't see it, you weren't on heading or you were looking down. so relax, and watch the plane!"Hang on a sec, the young'uns are throwin' beer cans at a golf cart." MB4252 TDS699 killing threads since 2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #13 June 2, 2003 Quotei don't know what you're jumping from, but we were told to watch the plane fly away... works good from a cessna. if you can't see it, you weren't on heading or you were looking down. so relax, and watch the plane! I was always told to watch the plane as well. Its the best picture in the world when you finaly do! The only thing i can suggest is just don't think about it... feel the air and don't fight it.. think of being ontop of the air rather then falling through it..... so yeah basicly relax and have fun lol!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #14 June 2, 2003 I had almost the exact same problem. I was sit-flying instead of arching. Trying to stop the tumbling resulted in kicking, which resulted in more tumbling. The way I finally stopped it is, one jump, right off the strut, I felt my legs at my stomach. The usual thought process of what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-my-arch occurs, but then I just hear this voice inside my head: "What the #$%@ are you doing? ARCH!!!" Whammo, never a problem since. I also had the problem that I didn't really believe that the arch works. I thought that yeah, it's all nice, but what if I'm tumbling? What if I'm this, or if I'm that? Tried to find some miracle solution or something. There is no miracle, no short cuts, no quick ways to recover. Arch when you jump, arch when you fall, arch when you pull. If you are tumbling, arch. If you're spinning, arch. If you're inverted, arch. If you're head low, arch. If you're head high, arch. You get my drift Practice on the ground a lot, after all, ground is free. Keep yourself relaxed in the plane as best you can, do breathing exercises or something. But finally, and this is the most important part of my advice: ARCH DAMMIT!!! Have a great jump, and good luck! DISCLAIMER: a) The whole "if this, arch" diatribe is semi-metaphorical. For instance, inversion may not be completely fixed by an arch. When you pull, remember to bring the other hand up. If you're spinning, you can counter. But, except for the pull, all of these are "advanced" techniques that you will learn on your next jump I was just trying to emphasize that importance of trusting your arch. b) I've only got 48 jumps. I've just applied for my first CoP. This is only the experience of another student, that's all. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BBKid 0 #15 June 2, 2003 Quoteit has to be said i'm not the floppiest of men And you're a f**kin potty mouth too! Seriously, did you head out on Sunday too? Man, this pisses me off. I can't even arch enough to get on DPs, and Mr. "personalised jumpsuit" here gets on 5 second delays so quick. Bastard. BTW, just use the "shagging a leper" method to get a good arch. Might see you Wednesday mate! Nick --------------------------- "I've pierced my foot on a spike!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayneRATS 0 #16 June 2, 2003 i have no intention of practicing shagging a fat/leaper/wifey thru a postbox .. i will arch tho .. i got there by doing 11 jumps in 3 weeks .. and my bank is feeling it now ------------------------ Can You Ere Me Now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katzeye 0 #17 June 2, 2003 When I finally figured out a good arch I realized (for me) not everything is relaxed. I keep my glutes tight to push the middle of me down and get a good "box" going with my arms and legs. I think relax is good for AFF, but after that it's body flying that does it. LA* Is a chicken omelette redundant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gale 0 #18 June 2, 2003 I'm going to humbly make a suggestion that worked for me. The last thing I though about when leaving the plane was always arch! Take a second when hanging from the strut, (assuming that's what you're doing) or just before exiting to take a breath, and then think ARCH. And instead of just thinking arch, try reminding yourself of what part of your body your arch should be coming from. The arch comes from your hips. So think hips! Also, it helped me to think of squeezing my butt as much as possible - thus getting my hips out. It might help for you to think in concrete terms instead of just "arch" which could be a little vague for you. And yes, you can practice on the ground. Get on a creeper, and arch for 30 seconds, rest for 30 seconds, repeat. It's best to do it out at the drop zone so someone can correct your position right there and then - and it doesn't cost a thing! Once you get a few successful stable jumps under your belt you won't have to think about it so much. But until then - work on building that muscle memory. Good luck. GaleI'm drowning...so come inside Welcome to my...dirty mind Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #19 June 2, 2003 A good exercise is to put a broom handle behind your neck and drape your arms over it, I suppose you could tie some string to the middle ( in a sort of "Y" shape) and loop your feet through the ends. Main thing is pushing them hips down though, i found at first when i was doing the dead cat thing, was that i tried to resist, and that just don't work, you will however find that it will come more naturaly and you will "feel" that you are going unstable and correct it before it occurs. Just think "shuttle-cock". = 101 words. Good luck dude. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
