Why was I trained AFF on a ripcord?

[USPA 0]

I've never seen one, but as I understood it, a SOS system handle is always on the left?

The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

[mikeat10500 12]

Yes they are...the concern is even worse...the jumper
under a stressful situation could revert back to first
learned anatomic response and dump the reserve
into the malfunctioning main!( This could happen even after 2000 jumps on TAS and correctly responding to previous mals)

With a BOC toss out TAS system you can do IAD's,AFF,solo freefall and continue for the rest of your skydiving career on the same type of gear.
The school only need buy one type of gear for their students and teach one procedure. As for cutaways not followed by reserve deployment...RSL's save lives!
...mike

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Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1
Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists.

[Tonto 1]

I am an AFF I.

If BOC's are safer than ripcords... why don't we have them on our reserves?

Spring loaded pilot chutes work better when you're unstable. When you're stable they launch into your burble and hesitate a bit.

Transisioning from one set of gear to another is always risky, so some operations are now teaching AFF on BOC's, so that if you have a "tricky pull" there is help around, rather than is happening later, when you're alone.

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[mikeat10500 12]

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I am an AFF I.

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If BOC's are safer than ripcords... why don't we have them on our reserves?

A.(part 1)

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Transisioning from one set of gear to another is always risky, so some operations are now teaching AFF on BOC's, so that if you have a "tricky pull" there is help around, rather than is happening later, when you're alone.

t

A.(part2)

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Spring loaded pilot chutes work better when you're unstable. When you're stable they launch into your burble and hesitate a bit.

You got It...back in the old days before AFF...you were out there on your own...and if you pulled unstable...a spring loaded ripcord activated system
was the safe way to go.

We don't go to hand deployed reserves because you could be unstable during deployment( at least not face to earth) but more important than that the
PC is safe inside the container so you don't have a reserve
deployment when you don't want it.
...mike

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Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1
Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists.

[Tonto 1]

"which, from what I've seen, most people do on their AFF level one with ripcords anyway."

So true! I'm trying to convince our club to let them do that, thus striking a balance between ripcord/BOC.

Your thoughts? (Apart from cost and litter... we use plastic ripcords, cost is a little over $5...)

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[riggerrob 643]

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"which, from what I've seen, most people do on their AFF level one with ripcords anyway."

So true! I'm trying to convince our club to let them do that, thus striking a balance between ripcord/BOC.

Your thoughts? (Apart from cost and litter... we use plastic ripcords, cost is a little over $5...)

t

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If you insist on training AFF students with ripcords, at least start with orange plastic ripcord handles in the same location as a BOC handle. Secondly, teach them to throw away handles from the start.
That being said, I have had better results with students who only ever jumped BOC throw-out.

Oh, and I am a lazy rigger who does not want to bother with more than one type of student gear.

Don't worry, the rest of you will eventually come around to training your students the Canadian way.

[Hooknswoop 19]

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"which, from what I've seen, most people do on their AFF level one with ripcords anyway."

So true! I'm trying to convince our club to let them do that, thus striking a balance between ripcord/BOC.

Your thoughts? (Apart from cost and litter... we use plastic ripcords, cost is a little over $5...)

Already mentioned is having the rip-cord handle in the same location as the BOC throw-out handle and throwing the rip-cord every jump. Seems cheaper and easier to simply use throw-outs.

Given that, the vast majority of student pull stable, and a throwout PC works better than a spring loaded PC when they are stable.

When they are unstable, they work the same.

I see several advantages to using BOC throw-outs and I don't see any advantages to using rip-cords for students.

Hook

[mikeat10500 12]

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Given that, the vast majority of student pull stable, and a throwout PC works better than a spring loaded PC when they are stable.

When they are unstable, they work the same.

I see several advantages to using BOC throw-outs and I don't see any advantages to using rip-cords for students.

Hook

The only advantage I can see in a spring loaded
PC (for unstable deployment or stable for that matter) is that the inexperienced( and possible freeked out) students hands are not in direct contact
with the pilot chute itself. This would be a much greater concern if they were alone( without an AFF instructor to make them release it).
...mike

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Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1
Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists.

[skygal3 0]

I wondered this too. Last year when I started AFF I began on a ripcord. This year all of the student gear has been switched over to a BOC. I am actually much more comfortable with doing things this way. The old cutaway procedure was of course more simple to understand, esp for new students..but I am happier learning this new way now as a student rather than switching over after becoming comfortable with one way that I will never see again after AFF.

[b1jercat 0]

After being cleared from student status, I went to another DZ the student rental they gave me was rip cord. after an uneventful free fall I pulled the handle and nothing as I turn to look over my shoulder, wham and about a million line twists, by the time I get it kicked out I just barley made it back to the landing field. The handle cost me 15$ and if I ever see another rip cord rig it will be too soon.
blue skies

jerry