ernguru 0 #26 April 25, 2005 Quote£17 I believe.....although not sure what aircraft they have at the moment.... The price up to 12k is £18 and the aircraft that they normally operate is a LET410 and a Cessna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #27 April 25, 2005 Come up to Hibaldstow Mac.... Come somewhere where you will be treated right....ie...like the person who is actually paying the DZ for service. Low pass?....no problem..... 15K in 15mins...no problem.. What YOU want is what YOU get... Hibs...leading the field in terms of how UK DZ's should be run...facilities/Altitude/Attitude/And a real desire to keep it moving and get the lifts up there.........right on! I dont bat an eyelid travelling up for a day or two from London....because its always worth it And Membership fees????? I dont need no stinkin' membership fees Oh yeah....my last 15K ticket was £17 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efex 0 #28 April 27, 2005 Come on guys, enough of the scargill bashing alright? I would just like to add that I personally feel hinton is a great dropzone. I understand some people have had issues with it, but crossing swords with mike is never a clever idea on the best of days. I think you will always find someone who has had a bad experience at any dropzone, myself included. I have been a regular at hinton for over 2+ years now, and chose it this year as the Dropzone to take all our students too (80+ people) for the very reason that I feel its safe, accomadating and friendly (busy wkends not included). At the end of the day rules are rules, and I more than anyone get frustrated when they get in my way. Ive had my fair share of 'discussions' with mike, not always skydiving related, and at the end of the day I still feel he & geoff run a great ship. My only wish would be that the weather could improve a little bit. Safe swoops, edited: to add a smily or 2 Warwick University Skydiving Club Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saucy_dee 0 #29 April 27, 2005 I went to Hinton half a dozen times to finish my last two consoles last year after doing my AFF in Florida. I also struggled to get on lifts. Not due to kit or docs and there were instructors on almost all of the loads to dispatch me. I remember seeing a letter in the mag within the last 6 months or so about people struggling to get on loads. Unfortunately, it seems to be if your face fits at Hinton. Well this is the impression I have been led to believe and have not been proved otherwise, sorry. I too drive 180 miles each way to Hibaldstow. Went there last year after coming back from the US a second time and the few other dropzone's I have been to in the UK don't come close. Great planes (3, yes 3 Dornier G92's), great people and great facilities! Don't put off 'till tomorrow what you can do today Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efex 0 #30 April 27, 2005 and yea, couldnt agree more. Hibalstow does indeed rock! Warwick University Skydiving Club Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samhussey 0 #31 April 27, 2005 Im also going to jump on the 'defending Hinton' bandwagon. It was the first place I went to after coming back from Spain halfway through my consols, and they fell over themselves to get me back in the sky. Ive never had any problems any time Ive been back there (except the weather), and we take most of our first jump students there as well (despite the distance from the uni). Theyve had to tighten up a bit on the rules recently due to a few people trying to bend or break them, but I dont blame the DZ for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatmarl 0 #32 April 29, 2005 That's the Let that they used to have at Cark. Cockerham is due to get F-GODZ, the worlds most powerful and oldest flying Porter arriving tomorrow (Saturday). Jump tickets are currently £17 but will be rising to £18 sometime in May. You can, however, buy 10 and get 1 free. Height is currently restricted by ATC to 10k, but after 20th. May should be 14k and occasionally 15k with ATC approval. Check out www.bkpc.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedyhogan 0 #33 May 4, 2005 I spent several years at Cockerham , It seems to be improving now as I hear, especially with the Porter. Still not a match for Hibble tho Big planes Big altitude. As far as Hinton goes, didn't feel welcome either time I went. Smile, Get It Over With Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gingerjo 0 #34 May 5, 2005 i believe they have the super duper fast porter (F-GODZ) there from now until september. we were going to go team training there this weekend and check it out but i've heard they haven't got clearance from air traffic control for the additional height for another two weeks (apparently air traffic control have been snowed under with all the paper work associated with doncaster airport opening). so they are only getting 10,000feet at least for the next couple of weeks anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedyhogan 0 #35 May 5, 2005 QuoteSo they are only getting 10,000feet at least for the next couple of weeks anyway. To be picky, Cockerham are only cleared to 9,5 normally. If anyone's around between 18th and 26th June I believe there's a freefly boogie on... Smile, Get It Over With Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #36 May 19, 2005 I've tried 6 dropzones in England. I now drive to Hibaldstow from London with a smile on my face. Making 9 skydives a day there packing for yourself is very do-able. £17,50 to 15K in under 15 minutes - what other UK DZ can compete with that? (and if their planes are as fast they are probably G92s leased from Hib ). When I took a year out from skydiving, I popped up a couple of times to visit. The staff and regulars were as friendly as always. I was once on a load in the SMG consisting of myself, two other fun jumpers, a SL student and the jump master. After the student was dispatched I was wondering what altitude Swalty (DZO/pilot) would give us considering he only had 3 paying passengers in the back. We got 16K! Looking at the experience level of some people posting here I think they are still in their comfort zone/loyalty to DZ at all costs stage. Once they grow some horns they might find some very green grass up north. For me Hib is the best of the 6 English DZs I've tried so far and well worth the petrol and time to get there. In general I do think customer service at DZs in this country can be poor. Maybe because of fickle weather DZs are always under financial pressure so when you do get good weather you get the militaristic shouting. Shouting at your customers in public is not good business practice. It puts people on edge and spoils what should be a fun activity on their weekends. And some of the skygods should go spend some time at Eloy and learn from the example of humble champions. If it wasn't for Hib I wouldn't have rejoined the BPA. The weather is bad enough here as it is, why would you want to spend your weekend at a place giving negative vibes? Will PS does anybody know where the nationals will be held this year? How many years running is that now? Nuff said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BASE813 0 #37 May 27, 2005 Quote Mike, everywhere you go no matter what club or what sport you are in you will have a bad day. That does not mean that you should throw your toys out of the cot like you have done and blame the club. Hello Ernie, firstly, if you reread my post you will see that the tone of it was not "throwing my toys out" - it was a genuine report of the way I had felt. Surely customers are allowed to report on the businesses they have had experiences with? Second, this is not the first time where skydivers have got annoyed with the DZ - I remember several times where tandems come first and skydivers third (and yes i know its a business and its being run like this and I should not be surprised) QuoteSo what if Hinton have a new rule that you have to prove your club membership at the beginning of the season. There was plenty of warning. I myself was getting a lift up the following week and remembered about 30 minutes away from the club that I did not have my BPA card. I gave Hinton a call and Geoff told me that without the card I could not jump. Fair enough thats the rule. I took the fax number and called home and got my card faxed to the club. As I arrived and went to see if the fax was there Geoff was busy cutting it out to photocopy onto the membership form therefore allowing me to jump that day. Now what kind of service is that? To me thats top service which he did not have to do. So are you saying the cameramen and tandem masters that were told "no bpa no jumping" had the same percieved service as you? or was it that you turned up late and after such time it was apparent that the ruling was unfair and was bent slightly? People with BPA emails and BPA web proof were not allowed in the morning, so why does your situation disprove all the other many many grumbles of such a ruling? QuoteI admit that Hinton was a bit of a Tandem factory in the past but things have changed and if you jump, pack and manifest instead of sitting around all day hoping that the world will come to you, you can easily get 10 jumps in. Are you telling me I dont know how to get jumps in at a DZ? After speaking to many people that still jump at the DZ saying "easily" 10 jumps in is really exagerated. It still is a Tandem Factory, and although this is not a bad thing as this is how the owners choose to run the place (I mean we all have to earn money), it is unfair to treat loyal customers in certain ways. QuoteOne other thing that I have to say is you mentioned that you were manifested for load 1 yet your rig was not ready. That sounds like your fault. You know the rule you only manifest when you are ready. One other thing, I was not manifested, as I was taking my BASE canopy from my container and rigging it to a dual parachute system when I was "told" I was on the first C206 load.... this is when I turned round and said "huh, but I am not ready" - This is blatently not my fault. Ernie, get your facts right before you try once again to slate me in a public forum - I have disliked you ever since you basically said I was dangerous because I BASE jump here on DZ after people were discusssing your complete fuck up............... Quote I have to say this 150 jumps or 10 jumps the way I jump is a dammmmmmm lot safer than the way you jump. If something happens in my jump what happens??? RESERVE OR IN THIS CASE CYPRUS FIRE. AKA RESERVE. With you what happens DEATH. SHALL I SPELL IT OUT AGAIN??? You are obviously proud of the fact that you are a base jumper.. Well good luck to you. Please I don't want to go to your funeral when you have a reserve ride. THINK ABOUT IT... Nice words Ernie! I have received reports that locals believe I have thrown the dummy in writing this post - mmm, if they actually took time to read it they would see I was just writing a personal view of a DZ on a forum that people write personal thoughts and reviews on. I never once slagged people off (hell I even admit that its their perogative to do things in a certain way), and never once took an aggressive stance - just look at the title - its just not the place I once knew, just a non agressive personal view - which makes the agression I have heard about being focused my way all the more reason I wont be spending my money there again. Edit to add: I have tried 6 other UK dropzones (not including Hib which everyone rates as the top skydiving DZ) and this DZ rates low for skydiving but [praise here look]fucking high for social life [/praise here look] - but what do you want? I guess it comes down to what you want from your skydiving?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ernguru 0 #38 May 27, 2005 I was waiting for this sort of childish response from you. You are of course so perfect as usual. CHOKE I was not making a personal attack on you in this thread as you so believe. Yes I am saying that if cameramen or tandems did not have there bpa membership then they too could not jump. I recall an instructor name not supplied who did not have his card with him so was unable to teach his course. As for the cameramen and tandem instructors they made sure they had the required documentation. So YES the RULE did apply to everyone. How about you go and get your facts sorted out about the incident that you are bringing up which happened almost 2 years ago. I have video evidence that shows that there was no fuck up by me. If you would like to know further pm me and we can discuss it. You my friend need to GROW UP. At least I have the balls to turn up at my club of choice week in week out, if there ARE any problems I don't post them onto a public forum and make a bad name for that particular club. I take it in my stride and come back the next week. Why? loyalty something you obviously lack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymama 37 #39 May 27, 2005 BASE813 and ernguru, if you have any more comments to make to each other, please do it in pm's.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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BASE813 0 #37 May 27, 2005 Quote Mike, everywhere you go no matter what club or what sport you are in you will have a bad day. That does not mean that you should throw your toys out of the cot like you have done and blame the club. Hello Ernie, firstly, if you reread my post you will see that the tone of it was not "throwing my toys out" - it was a genuine report of the way I had felt. Surely customers are allowed to report on the businesses they have had experiences with? Second, this is not the first time where skydivers have got annoyed with the DZ - I remember several times where tandems come first and skydivers third (and yes i know its a business and its being run like this and I should not be surprised) QuoteSo what if Hinton have a new rule that you have to prove your club membership at the beginning of the season. There was plenty of warning. I myself was getting a lift up the following week and remembered about 30 minutes away from the club that I did not have my BPA card. I gave Hinton a call and Geoff told me that without the card I could not jump. Fair enough thats the rule. I took the fax number and called home and got my card faxed to the club. As I arrived and went to see if the fax was there Geoff was busy cutting it out to photocopy onto the membership form therefore allowing me to jump that day. Now what kind of service is that? To me thats top service which he did not have to do. So are you saying the cameramen and tandem masters that were told "no bpa no jumping" had the same percieved service as you? or was it that you turned up late and after such time it was apparent that the ruling was unfair and was bent slightly? People with BPA emails and BPA web proof were not allowed in the morning, so why does your situation disprove all the other many many grumbles of such a ruling? QuoteI admit that Hinton was a bit of a Tandem factory in the past but things have changed and if you jump, pack and manifest instead of sitting around all day hoping that the world will come to you, you can easily get 10 jumps in. Are you telling me I dont know how to get jumps in at a DZ? After speaking to many people that still jump at the DZ saying "easily" 10 jumps in is really exagerated. It still is a Tandem Factory, and although this is not a bad thing as this is how the owners choose to run the place (I mean we all have to earn money), it is unfair to treat loyal customers in certain ways. QuoteOne other thing that I have to say is you mentioned that you were manifested for load 1 yet your rig was not ready. That sounds like your fault. You know the rule you only manifest when you are ready. One other thing, I was not manifested, as I was taking my BASE canopy from my container and rigging it to a dual parachute system when I was "told" I was on the first C206 load.... this is when I turned round and said "huh, but I am not ready" - This is blatently not my fault. Ernie, get your facts right before you try once again to slate me in a public forum - I have disliked you ever since you basically said I was dangerous because I BASE jump here on DZ after people were discusssing your complete fuck up............... Quote I have to say this 150 jumps or 10 jumps the way I jump is a dammmmmmm lot safer than the way you jump. If something happens in my jump what happens??? RESERVE OR IN THIS CASE CYPRUS FIRE. AKA RESERVE. With you what happens DEATH. SHALL I SPELL IT OUT AGAIN??? You are obviously proud of the fact that you are a base jumper.. Well good luck to you. Please I don't want to go to your funeral when you have a reserve ride. THINK ABOUT IT... Nice words Ernie! I have received reports that locals believe I have thrown the dummy in writing this post - mmm, if they actually took time to read it they would see I was just writing a personal view of a DZ on a forum that people write personal thoughts and reviews on. I never once slagged people off (hell I even admit that its their perogative to do things in a certain way), and never once took an aggressive stance - just look at the title - its just not the place I once knew, just a non agressive personal view - which makes the agression I have heard about being focused my way all the more reason I wont be spending my money there again. Edit to add: I have tried 6 other UK dropzones (not including Hib which everyone rates as the top skydiving DZ) and this DZ rates low for skydiving but [praise here look]fucking high for social life [/praise here look] - but what do you want? I guess it comes down to what you want from your skydiving?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernguru 0 #38 May 27, 2005 I was waiting for this sort of childish response from you. You are of course so perfect as usual. CHOKE I was not making a personal attack on you in this thread as you so believe. Yes I am saying that if cameramen or tandems did not have there bpa membership then they too could not jump. I recall an instructor name not supplied who did not have his card with him so was unable to teach his course. As for the cameramen and tandem instructors they made sure they had the required documentation. So YES the RULE did apply to everyone. How about you go and get your facts sorted out about the incident that you are bringing up which happened almost 2 years ago. I have video evidence that shows that there was no fuck up by me. If you would like to know further pm me and we can discuss it. You my friend need to GROW UP. At least I have the balls to turn up at my club of choice week in week out, if there ARE any problems I don't post them onto a public forum and make a bad name for that particular club. I take it in my stride and come back the next week. Why? loyalty something you obviously lack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #39 May 27, 2005 BASE813 and ernguru, if you have any more comments to make to each other, please do it in pm's.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
