Question regarding line-overs

[Ruffles 0]

I evaluated a poll I did a couple months ago which (roughly) categorized the frequency of various malfunctions. While spinning mals led the batch by far, most of these are on ellipticals (which I don't jump{yet}). The runner up was line-overs.
Seeing how statistically this is the most likely malfunction I am going to get on my canopy, I wondered what experiences you all have had with them. 2 areas in particular
(1) Since the caonpy is generally partially opened, does it spin you, are you generally stood up, do you find that you don't burn altitude as bad while reaching for the handles, etc. What's it like?
(2) Packing errors are generally what cause these. When I pack, I do a fine job of ensuring line group separation and that whole bit, but when lying the wrapped up canopy down on the floor and the following s-folding, they can get screwed up. How can you tell if you've messed up the line groups all over again? They are all concealed in the wrap. This uncertainty unnerves me a bit.
Tips, Suggestions, comments?



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[rgoper 0]

i've only experienced one lineover on a Cobalt 170^2 loaded at 1.55:1, of course i looked at it for a second to completely evaluate it, the canopy didn't spin, twist or try to collapse, i just released my brakes and did a deep flare which thankfully removed the line off of the left side of my canopy. it was one of the four lines that go to the cascade, i consider myself lucky!

--Richard--
"We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

[Faber 0]

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do you find that you don't burn altitude as bad while reaching for the handles, etc. What's it like?

your eating alot of alti.. its werry violant if it gets started rigth.. how ever some are lucky to get it near the mitel and then it almost fly sraigth,but look alot like a brah..

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[billvon 2,990]

>Since the caonpy is generally partially opened, does it spin you, are you generally stood up . . .

On the two that I've had, I felt sorta normal opening shock and the spin began immediately. I had relatively large canopies (Sabre 150 and 425 tandem main) so I didn't lose too much altitude.

>How can you tell if you've messed up the line groups all over again?

Here's what I do:

1. Do all the flaking of the canopy.
2. Separate out the C/D/brake lines and grab them with your left hand (assuming the lines are going over your left shoulder.)
3. Wrap the stabilizers; grab that line bundle again through the stabilizers with your left hand.
4. Pull up the tail; grab the line bundle again through the tail.
5. Mess with the nose, slider etc
6. Wrap the tail around the front however you do it.
7. Keeping that line bundle in your left hand, use your right hand to lower the pack job to the ground.

At this point you have the packjob on the ground, ready to be compacted etc but you _know_ the C/D/brake lines (the ones most likely to go over the top) haven't moved.

[rigging65 0]

Since quite a bit of this has already been covered, I'll just stress one point that I think is very important when packing. Specifically, keeping the lines in the middle of the packjob:

Once you've (gently) put the canopy onto the ground and are starting to cocoon it, be sure you're only using the topskin section of the fabric laying in front of you to (again, gently) tighten your cocoon up. You can actually lift up the section of topskin right above your warning label, get it to separate from the rest of the pack job and use it as a "skin" to cover and tighten up the rest of your packjob.

I've heard the idea of this taught as though you're making a sausage. The lines, flakes, canopy material is the stuffing, and the topskin portion above the warning label is your wrapper. Try to use only the wrapper to wrap the sausage, thus keeping the insides as you left them.

"...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward.
For there you have been, and there you long to return..."

[JohnPolk 0]

on the same subject, do any of you have a rubber band on your slider that is wrapped around the brake lines? ON my old canopy i did and i used it, but now i have a new canopy and i am considering putting one on. Anyone have any opinions about these?

[Hooknswoop 19]

I have packed a few intentional line-overs on a PD-170 loaded at just over 1:1. They were quite violent. I pro-packed them and then pull the upper control lines around in front of the nose, between the 4th cell and center cell. Out of 3 attempts, I got 2 line-overs. Kinda embarrassing to pack a line-over and get a good opening.. The last one I half-hitched a rubber band around the upper control lines and center "A" line to prevent the line-over from clearing. Like everyone said, keep the steering lines centered, away from the nose to keep your odds of getting a line-over low.

Hook

[masher 1]

What lines are you more likely to get a lineover with (all things being equal)?

A-D, steering?

--
Arching is overrated - Marlies

[hookitt 1]

Steering lines are most common.

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

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I have packed a few intentional line-overs

Why and got an result from it?

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[weavermc 0]

Since you asked for experiences on Line Over openings....

I had a line over on a Sabre 150 wingloaded at about 1.5. It opened okay enough, but I had enough time to look up, see the line-over, and then the canopy started spinning violently with me on my back. Needless to say, it was less than a desirable body position for reserve deployment.

[skycat 0]

One was packed to see if he could cut the steering line that was cause. Spin was to violent and even though he knew exactly what line to cut he couldn't do it. 2nd one cleared itself. 3rd one (steering line tied to an A line) was to get shots of a line over for a video, and spun pretty hard. All 3 were on a PD170.

Fly it like you stole it!

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All 3 were on a PD170.

Any gear damege?I could imagin that a nylon line on the top of a conopi could cause some burning damege..
Did he pack his reserve him self or did he wear a belly reserve aswell?

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

[freakydiver 0]

Just talked to an old mentor of mine, he taught me the 30 second psycho trash pack. Bottom line is manage your lines and it will open, not necessarily straight, but as long as you manage your line sets, you won't get a lineover.

-- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

[skycat 0]

why yes he did pack the reserve himself.

Actually he has an intentional cutaway rig set up with 2 mains and 1 reserve. He has about 50 intentional cutaways.

As for damage I think there were some line burns from the one that cleared, but this main is not used as a real main and is only used to be cutaway.

Fly it like you stole it!

[Faber 0]

we were talking about packing a lineover to test how it reacted..
but yes genneral i thing a skydive canopi could be packed as you want to aslong the lines are straigt and in the mitel of the packjob..

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

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this main is not used as a real main and is only used to be cutaway.

i want such aswellcould be pretty fun to try all the differnt mal there are(well most of them..not all)

Stay safe
Stefan Faber