Slowfaller 0 #1 January 15, 2003 The last skydive I made was in June of 2002. When I made tha jump I weighed 145 lbs naked so figure 165-170lbs all suited up and ready to jump. I want to get back in to skydiving (really bad) and due to quitting smoking and drinking beer I weigh 158lbs naked so figure 178-183lbs w/ gear now. My question is: How much faster should I expect my Hornet 150 to fly on my higher wingloading? Will my landings be a lot faster and turns a lot snappier or will there be minimal change? Chris PS: I flew my canopy well, know how to use flat turns and stood up my landings. Edit: I have 58 jumps which my profile does reflect --"Someday you will die and somehow somethings going to steal your carbon" -MM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #2 January 15, 2003 How many jumps do you have? I'm going to guess since you're asking the question that the answer is 'not many'. Since you haven't jumped in 6 months you should probably get some rental gear at least a size up (170) for your first few jumps. Better to come in slow and bored than hot and broken. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #3 January 15, 2003 QuoteI weigh 158lbs naked so figure 178-183lbs w/ gear now more like 188 ish... 20 to 25 pounds is usually unrealistic. Consider that a wingload of 1.25 to 1 will be achieved using a 188 exit weight I won't be a canopy Nazi and tell you this is pretty high for 58 jumps and not to go there, but it is my opinion and I shall state that it is pretty high so play as safe as you can. The Canopy will most certainly respond faster. Please make your landing decisions as high as possible. It's good that you understand the need for flat turns. Please also understand that it will take many more jumps to truly understand how to perform them in an emergency. Stay safe and try not to push it too hard. TimMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #4 January 15, 2003 Do you have all standup landings? What sized canopies have you been jumping?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slowfaller 0 #5 January 15, 2003 On my gear I've biffed once and landed feet, ass, flare! feet once so the definate majority of my landings have been stand up. That's about 20 jumps on my gear. Student jumps were not as pretty but a lot of standups still. I've been jumping a semi eliptical 150 since jump number 10 or 12. And I can't go out and buy a Tri RhinoChris --"Someday you will die and somehow somethings going to steal your carbon" -MM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #6 January 16, 2003 I don't know how fast the hornet flies. I certainly recommend a 7 cell for a first canopy due to their stopping and slow speed capability.. Too bad you can's get a Triathlon or Spectre Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #7 January 16, 2003 Why don't you do a jump or two on a 170ish canopy first to get back into it? Once you're ready to move back down to the 150, don't dwell on the 13 pounds difference, just fly the canopy until it stops moving. Too many folks get tied up with numbers and the such and forget to feel what the canopy is doing and fly it accordingly. Many jumpers will find that there simply isn't that big a change by adding or taking away 13lbs....you might feel it more with limited jump numbers, but my guess is that if you just concentrate on flying and not worrying about it you'll do just fine! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #8 January 16, 2003 Quotejust fly the canopy until it stops moving Wise words. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #9 January 16, 2003 QuoteSince you haven't jumped in 6 months you should probably get some rental gear at least a size up (170) for your first few jumps. What Jim said. Spend most of a day with a 170 (3-5 jumps), stand them all up, then jump your rig for your last jump of the day. If you biff on any of the jumps on the 170, reconsider jumping your 150 until you're 100% standups under the 170. Yes, it's only 20 sq.ft., but you're also pretty uncurrent and not real experienced at canopy flight right now... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #10 January 16, 2003 13 pounds makes the same difference as between a cold day and a hot day (density altitude). However, because of your lengthy lay-off, I recommend borrowing a canopy in the 170 to 200 square foot range for you next half-dozen jumps. Once you are getting consistent stand-up landings on the borrowed canopy, then you can resume jumping your Hornet 150. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
relyon 0 #11 January 16, 2003 There is an excellent paper by J. LeBlanc on the effects of wingloading on canopy characteristics: http://www.performancedesigns.com/docs/wingload.pdf Highly recommended reading for all skydivers. Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarge 0 #12 January 16, 2003 Excellent document, thanks! and I have to agree with Leonardo and Jimbo; fly the thing. On my side, 13,14,15, lbs isnt a big difference, if you are in-tune with your wing. I' don't hear that you are? When your last jump was in july, I'm assuming a nice hot day? you have, in my approximation the difference from a cool April jump in relative density altitude, that (depending where you are) could easily translate into that 10-15 lb apparent weight addition in July anyway... Don't do as I do, (words of advice also) but personally, I'd jump it. I've used weights to emplore exaclty the concept your talking about. It boils down to being committed to the basics. Albeit get up there high and refamiliarize yourself with the inputs... and land safe not close... running out a few steps is quite fine, if you can run... Seriously, any doubt remaining get that extra 10-20sq ft over your head and repeat steps 1-3. If you like whats happening and nobody rushes you, then get back in the harness under your (hornet) canopy. BTW, good deal with nix-ing of the brew and smokes!-- I'm done with the personally meaningful and philosophical sigs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #13 January 17, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I weigh 158lbs naked so figure 178-183lbs w/ gear now -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- more like 188 ish... 20 to 25 pounds is usually unrealistic. 20 to 25 pounds is not unrealistic for modern gear, both my rigs were in a gear bag with some other crap in there, and they came in under 50 pounds on an airport check in scale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #14 January 17, 2003 [reply 20 to 25 pounds is not unrealistic for modern gear, both my rigs were in a gear bag with some other crap in there, and they came in under 50 pounds on an airport check in scale. That's true.. I was including clothing though. He did say 158 nekkid Slowfaller: for the record, back when I had the same amount of jumps, I would have jumped the same parachute you already have. That is the main reason I asked you to try and not push it too hard. Jump the larger one for a some jumps and then do what ya wanna do. Gotta watch what is said on here, were all so literalHave fun TimMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #15 January 17, 2003 QuoteDon't do as I do, (words of advice also) but personally, I'd jump it. I've used weights to emplore exaclty the concept your talking about. It boils down to being committed to the basics. He has 50 jumps. You have 500. There is a difference. Combine a lack of experience with a lack of currency, add in the additional weight (increased wingloading) and you have a recipe for injury. imho, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slowfaller 0 #16 January 17, 2003 I now understand that there won't be a huge difference but because of my uncurrentness and lack of jump numbers I agree that jumping a 170 at least once would be a smart idea. Canopy flight for me has always been more of an art then a science. The landing flare is never going to be the same each jump and feeling out the flare is a good feeling indeed. I love landingThank you to everybody. As always said, this is why DZ.com rocksChris --"Someday you will die and somehow somethings going to steal your carbon" -MM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #17 January 18, 2003 Lots of good advice here, man- !!! These folks know htier stuff! Why not get yourself a demo one size bigger, and jump that for a weekend or two? Sure would be cheaper than paying for rental gear, and you'll be in your own rig- PD has a good program and SUPER folks in Customer Service- Just ask for Kolla- Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumperconway 0 #18 January 28, 2003 QuoteQuoteSince you haven't jumped in 6 months you should probably get some rental gear at least a size up (170) for your first few jumps. What Jim said. Spend most of a day with a 170 (3-5 jumps), stand them all up, then jump your rig for your last jump of the day. If you biff on any of the jumps on the 170, reconsider jumping your 150 until you're 100% standups under the 170. Yes, it's only 20 sq.ft., but you're also pretty uncurrent and not real experienced at canopy flight right now... Reread this 3 times and do it and I ain't no canopy nazi, common sense! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1freak 0 #19 January 29, 2003 I was out for a few years, and when i came back i made 1 jump on a 190 and 2 on a 170 before getting under my 120 (loading at @ 1.8) I mean if you are concerned take that as a sign to jump something bigger at first..... HAVE FUN... ...JUST DONT DIE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tinystiletto 0 #20 January 30, 2003 The link posted by Relyon is very good. Excellent reading! Thanx Jazz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slowfaller 0 #21 April 25, 2003 Kind of a bump and, for anyone that cares, an update of what I did. Since my last post in this thread I've done 7 jumps. I decided to stay on my own gear (Hornet 150) and jump at a DZ w/ a nice landing area that I am very comfortable with (was a student at this DZ). I set a standard 1000 ft down wind, 500ft base leg and 300 final approach and have landed on my target every jump and also stood each one up. I noticed that the canopy is flying a tad faster so I've been practicing flat and flare turns a lot more, every jump. Now if Lisa would only sell me that stilleto 97 I could get rid of this tank of a canopy. J/K J/K!!! Don't flame!!Chris --"Someday you will die and somehow somethings going to steal your carbon" -MM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
