Krusin 0 #1 July 7, 2006 On March 1st 2006, Bay Area Skydiving was sold and is now under new ownership. Immediately following the ownership change, BAS implemented a new manifest software program, and requested that all jumpers with outstanding tickets turn them in for credit to their accounts. As of July 1st 2006, Bay Area Skydiving will no longer be responsible for outstanding jump tickets sold or issued to local jumpers prior to March 1st. We understand that there may be out of town jumpers who attended past Byron Boogies, and were told that left over jump tickets would be honored for future Boogies. Prior year boogie tickets may be honored on an extremely limited or discounted basis. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 July 7, 2006 I understand the why part, but how come this was posted 5 days afterwards? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greene 0 #3 July 7, 2006 That is just to sad We just recently acceped 20 tickets that were sold in 1972! Can you imagine the loss we took? In 1972 we flew Cessna 182's, now we fly CASA and Twin Otters. The tickets were good, they purchased them and they deserved to jump them. Some times you just have to suck it up. The dropzone, in the long run, will loose more than you gained. Skies blue, and good luck SGC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #4 July 7, 2006 QuoteWe understand that there may be out of town jumpers who attended past Byron Boogies, and were told that left over jump tickets would be honored for future Boogies. Prior year boogie tickets may be honored on an extremely limited or discounted basis. What about non-boogie tickets purchased by out-of-towners? Would have been really nice to know this when I was at Byron a few weeks ago and could have used/cashed in the ticket I have. I'm there three or four times a year - not a boogie only jumper, but not enough of a regular to be in on all the news. Fortunately, I only have one ticket sitting in my wallet so I'm not out that much money. I'm not a lawyer, but wouldn't the previously-sold tickets be part of the outstanding liabilities assumed by the new owner?"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #5 July 7, 2006 This should have been posted a month ago.But I guess it just depends on what your goal was. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueSBDeath 2 #6 July 7, 2006 Vic!!!! WTF................You mean all those tickets I never bought are worth what I payed for them?!?!?!?! Congrats and best of luck!!!! ArvelBSBD...........Its all about Respect, USPA#-7062, FB-2197, Outlaw 499 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #7 July 7, 2006 Quotebut how come this was posted 5 days afterwards? Because not everyone's skydiving world revolves around dropzone.com."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,364 #8 July 7, 2006 Jim, You get my vote as Man of the Year. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #9 July 7, 2006 QuoteThat is just to sad We just recently acceped 20 tickets that were sold in 1972! Can you imagine the loss we took? In 1972 we flew Cessna 182's, now we fly CASA and Twin Otters. The tickets were good, they purchased them and they deserved to jump them. Some times you just have to suck it up. The dropzone, in the long run, will loose more than you gained. Skies blue, and good luck SGC I want to visit your DZ... That is a cool policy and cool attitude!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #10 July 7, 2006 That's an extremely generous policy. I would not expect that; though I would expect the tickets to hold their original value, to be applied to current jump ticket prices. I like Byron. It's one of my favorite DZs to visit and I'm a bit disappointed at this decision. Like I said, I'm out one jump ticket so it's not a huge deal to me, but I still think it's a short-sighted decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #11 July 7, 2006 QuoteThat is just to sad We just recently acceped 20 tickets that were sold in 1972! Can you imagine the loss we took? In 1972 we flew Cessna 182's, now we fly CASA and Twin Otters. The tickets were good, they purchased them and they deserved to jump them. Some times you just have to suck it up. The dropzone, in the long run, will loose more than you gained. Skies blue, and good luck SGC *** I have some Greene Co. SPC~Baldwin, Kansas tickets from 1980! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #12 July 7, 2006 Is that legal? When you buy a company dont you take the obligations of the company as well ya know profit and loss? Or is it different for dropzones?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #13 July 7, 2006 QuoteIs that legal? When you buy a company dont you take the obligations of the company as well ya know profit and loss? Or is it different for dropzones? Vic didn't buy it (as far as I know), but should maybe pass it on to Clay (the new DZO). Whatever anyone here thinks of the decision, please don't let it affect your opinion of Bay Area Skydiving. My point - treat it as an isolated incident and deal with any oustanding related issues and leave it at that. They have to be one of the friendliest and most helpuful operations out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #14 July 7, 2006 I was out FOUR WHOLE DOLLARS by the recent ownership and manifest change. While I think it was kinda stupid or shortsighted, it happened, it is water under the bridge and I'm moving on....and I'm excited about the tracking derby coming up!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #15 July 7, 2006 QuoteI have some Greene Co. SPC~Baldwin, Kansas tickets from 1980! I have 2 from when Cy Perkins ran Elsinore and 1 from when PI was in charge. I am willing to let these rare and valuable artifacts go for a very reasonable price.Oh, and I can through in, at no extra charge, a like new ticket from Perris Skydiving Society. Moral of this tale, buy no more tickets than you can use in the next 20 minutes.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Reginald 0 #16 July 7, 2006 QuoteIs that legal? When you buy a company dont you take the obligations of the company as well ya know profit and loss? Or is it different for dropzones? Well, there are lawyers and accountants that spend their lives answering this question. If the new owners bought the "business" than they probably are on thin legal footing. If they bought the "assets" and started their own business with the new assets than they probably are within their rights. Regardless, io legal issues the common sense business issues are more troubling..."We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CSpenceFLY 1 #17 July 7, 2006 Well then you go get your money back from the old owners. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WatchYourStep 0 #18 July 7, 2006 Baldwin, Kansas?! That's only 10 minutes from where I live now. Then again in 1980 I was only a few months old. Man you're OLD school. Just kidding. "You start off your skydiving career with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience up before your bag of luck runs out." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jguy904 0 #19 July 7, 2006 the contract can be whatever the involved parties agree to--transfer or not transfer all or some of the assets and/or liabilitiies--- MUFF #3384, DIRTY SANCHEZ #28(Chief Recruiting Officer), FALLING GATOR #7801-A, POPS #10957, FLYING HELLFISH #847, HISPAS #79, SRA #9229, Surfador Rodrigues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #20 July 7, 2006 Well if they do not transfer then the old owners would be responible correct? If they do transfer then the new ones would be responsible. Those tickets are as good as money for that business unless it went bankrupt correct?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverbrian 0 #21 July 7, 2006 QuoteThe tickets were good, they purchased them and they deserved to jump them. That's why you've been in business for 45 years! Kudos to you for your integrity. In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Krusin 0 #22 July 7, 2006 Even though that's the policy the new ownership asked me to post, I can tell you that anyone who has come in personally, has been given some credit to their account for the tickets they owned. And we will continue to work with skydivers with old tickets. As for tickets from 1972...I've got a block of Mile-Hi skydiving tickets that are no good for exactly the same reasons I posted before. New Ownership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,364 #23 July 7, 2006 Hey Sparky, Check this out: QuoteMan you're OLD school. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #24 July 8, 2006 QuoteAs for tickets from 1972...I've got a block of Mile-Hi skydiving tickets that are no good for exactly the same reasons I posted before. I've got a block of tickets from Skydive Colorado when it was opened at the Fort Collins/Loveland Airport. Will they work at your new DZ? May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MarkM 0 #25 July 8, 2006 Quote Whatever anyone here thinks of the decision, please don't let it affect your opinion of Bay Area Skydiving. My point - treat it as an isolated incident and deal with any oustanding related issues and leave it at that. 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NWFlyer 2 #10 July 7, 2006 That's an extremely generous policy. I would not expect that; though I would expect the tickets to hold their original value, to be applied to current jump ticket prices. I like Byron. It's one of my favorite DZs to visit and I'm a bit disappointed at this decision. Like I said, I'm out one jump ticket so it's not a huge deal to me, but I still think it's a short-sighted decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #11 July 7, 2006 QuoteThat is just to sad We just recently acceped 20 tickets that were sold in 1972! Can you imagine the loss we took? In 1972 we flew Cessna 182's, now we fly CASA and Twin Otters. The tickets were good, they purchased them and they deserved to jump them. Some times you just have to suck it up. The dropzone, in the long run, will loose more than you gained. Skies blue, and good luck SGC *** I have some Greene Co. SPC~Baldwin, Kansas tickets from 1980! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #12 July 7, 2006 Is that legal? When you buy a company dont you take the obligations of the company as well ya know profit and loss? Or is it different for dropzones?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #13 July 7, 2006 QuoteIs that legal? When you buy a company dont you take the obligations of the company as well ya know profit and loss? Or is it different for dropzones? Vic didn't buy it (as far as I know), but should maybe pass it on to Clay (the new DZO). Whatever anyone here thinks of the decision, please don't let it affect your opinion of Bay Area Skydiving. My point - treat it as an isolated incident and deal with any oustanding related issues and leave it at that. They have to be one of the friendliest and most helpuful operations out there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #14 July 7, 2006 I was out FOUR WHOLE DOLLARS by the recent ownership and manifest change. While I think it was kinda stupid or shortsighted, it happened, it is water under the bridge and I'm moving on....and I'm excited about the tracking derby coming up!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #15 July 7, 2006 QuoteI have some Greene Co. SPC~Baldwin, Kansas tickets from 1980! I have 2 from when Cy Perkins ran Elsinore and 1 from when PI was in charge. I am willing to let these rare and valuable artifacts go for a very reasonable price.Oh, and I can through in, at no extra charge, a like new ticket from Perris Skydiving Society. Moral of this tale, buy no more tickets than you can use in the next 20 minutes.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Reginald 0 #16 July 7, 2006 QuoteIs that legal? When you buy a company dont you take the obligations of the company as well ya know profit and loss? Or is it different for dropzones? Well, there are lawyers and accountants that spend their lives answering this question. If the new owners bought the "business" than they probably are on thin legal footing. If they bought the "assets" and started their own business with the new assets than they probably are within their rights. Regardless, io legal issues the common sense business issues are more troubling..."We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CSpenceFLY 1 #17 July 7, 2006 Well then you go get your money back from the old owners. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WatchYourStep 0 #18 July 7, 2006 Baldwin, Kansas?! That's only 10 minutes from where I live now. Then again in 1980 I was only a few months old. Man you're OLD school. Just kidding. "You start off your skydiving career with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience up before your bag of luck runs out." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jguy904 0 #19 July 7, 2006 the contract can be whatever the involved parties agree to--transfer or not transfer all or some of the assets and/or liabilitiies--- MUFF #3384, DIRTY SANCHEZ #28(Chief Recruiting Officer), FALLING GATOR #7801-A, POPS #10957, FLYING HELLFISH #847, HISPAS #79, SRA #9229, Surfador Rodrigues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #20 July 7, 2006 Well if they do not transfer then the old owners would be responible correct? If they do transfer then the new ones would be responsible. Those tickets are as good as money for that business unless it went bankrupt correct?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverbrian 0 #21 July 7, 2006 QuoteThe tickets were good, they purchased them and they deserved to jump them. That's why you've been in business for 45 years! Kudos to you for your integrity. In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Krusin 0 #22 July 7, 2006 Even though that's the policy the new ownership asked me to post, I can tell you that anyone who has come in personally, has been given some credit to their account for the tickets they owned. And we will continue to work with skydivers with old tickets. As for tickets from 1972...I've got a block of Mile-Hi skydiving tickets that are no good for exactly the same reasons I posted before. New Ownership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerryBaumchen 1,364 #23 July 7, 2006 Hey Sparky, Check this out: QuoteMan you're OLD school. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #24 July 8, 2006 QuoteAs for tickets from 1972...I've got a block of Mile-Hi skydiving tickets that are no good for exactly the same reasons I posted before. I've got a block of tickets from Skydive Colorado when it was opened at the Fort Collins/Loveland Airport. Will they work at your new DZ? May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MarkM 0 #25 July 8, 2006 Quote Whatever anyone here thinks of the decision, please don't let it affect your opinion of Bay Area Skydiving. My point - treat it as an isolated incident and deal with any oustanding related issues and leave it at that. Huh? These are exactly the type of decisions that should affect your opinion about a dropzone. 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Elisha 1 #14 July 7, 2006 I was out FOUR WHOLE DOLLARS by the recent ownership and manifest change. While I think it was kinda stupid or shortsighted, it happened, it is water under the bridge and I'm moving on....and I'm excited about the tracking derby coming up!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #15 July 7, 2006 QuoteI have some Greene Co. SPC~Baldwin, Kansas tickets from 1980! I have 2 from when Cy Perkins ran Elsinore and 1 from when PI was in charge. I am willing to let these rare and valuable artifacts go for a very reasonable price.Oh, and I can through in, at no extra charge, a like new ticket from Perris Skydiving Society. Moral of this tale, buy no more tickets than you can use in the next 20 minutes.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reginald 0 #16 July 7, 2006 QuoteIs that legal? When you buy a company dont you take the obligations of the company as well ya know profit and loss? Or is it different for dropzones? Well, there are lawyers and accountants that spend their lives answering this question. If the new owners bought the "business" than they probably are on thin legal footing. If they bought the "assets" and started their own business with the new assets than they probably are within their rights. Regardless, io legal issues the common sense business issues are more troubling..."We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #17 July 7, 2006 Well then you go get your money back from the old owners. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WatchYourStep 0 #18 July 7, 2006 Baldwin, Kansas?! That's only 10 minutes from where I live now. Then again in 1980 I was only a few months old. Man you're OLD school. Just kidding. "You start off your skydiving career with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience up before your bag of luck runs out." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jguy904 0 #19 July 7, 2006 the contract can be whatever the involved parties agree to--transfer or not transfer all or some of the assets and/or liabilitiies--- MUFF #3384, DIRTY SANCHEZ #28(Chief Recruiting Officer), FALLING GATOR #7801-A, POPS #10957, FLYING HELLFISH #847, HISPAS #79, SRA #9229, Surfador Rodrigues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #20 July 7, 2006 Well if they do not transfer then the old owners would be responible correct? If they do transfer then the new ones would be responsible. Those tickets are as good as money for that business unless it went bankrupt correct?Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbrian 0 #21 July 7, 2006 QuoteThe tickets were good, they purchased them and they deserved to jump them. That's why you've been in business for 45 years! Kudos to you for your integrity. In a world full of people, only some want to fly... isn't that crazy! --Seal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krusin 0 #22 July 7, 2006 Even though that's the policy the new ownership asked me to post, I can tell you that anyone who has come in personally, has been given some credit to their account for the tickets they owned. And we will continue to work with skydivers with old tickets. As for tickets from 1972...I've got a block of Mile-Hi skydiving tickets that are no good for exactly the same reasons I posted before. New Ownership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,364 #23 July 7, 2006 Hey Sparky, Check this out: QuoteMan you're OLD school. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #24 July 8, 2006 QuoteAs for tickets from 1972...I've got a block of Mile-Hi skydiving tickets that are no good for exactly the same reasons I posted before. I've got a block of tickets from Skydive Colorado when it was opened at the Fort Collins/Loveland Airport. Will they work at your new DZ? May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #25 July 8, 2006 Quote Whatever anyone here thinks of the decision, please don't let it affect your opinion of Bay Area Skydiving. My point - treat it as an isolated incident and deal with any oustanding related issues and leave it at that. Huh? These are exactly the type of decisions that should affect your opinion about a dropzone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
