JoHawley 0 #1 February 27, 2003 I have just ordered a new rig and opted for a reserve static line, but am still not convinced that the pros outwiegh the cons. I have this fear about spinning out of control and my reserve wrapping around me. Any thoughts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #2 February 27, 2003 Do a search. This topic has been covered zillion of times.Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralu 0 #3 February 27, 2003 read this aritcle... www.dropzone.com/safety/articles/Top5RSLmyths.shtml what would be a woman without her dreams.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lauril 0 #4 February 27, 2003 Just click it -> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #5 February 27, 2003 >> Do a search. This has been debated once or twice before ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 February 27, 2003 I like RSLs and if you believe USPA's latest fatality report, a couple more skydivers would still be with us today if they had been wearing RSLs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #7 February 27, 2003 QuoteI have this fear about spinning out of control and my reserve wrapping around me. Have you ever spun a weight on the end of a string around and around and let it go? Do the weight and string tangle? No. They fly straight away...same as you will when you cut away from a spinning main. There are reems and reems of arguments for and against, but look at the last 10 years or fatality reports. Many of the low cutaway/low reserve pull and low cutaway/no reserve pulls wouldn't have happened. All this has said before, but skydiving is a sport of odds/risk management. Anything that's going to increase your odds statistically, IMO is a good thing. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #8 February 27, 2003 I like the look of RWS's Skyhook.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #9 February 27, 2003 Absolutely, but I bet it'll be a pain to get it cross-certified for anything but RWS rigs. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billdo 0 #10 February 27, 2003 I think if I didn't have a cypress I would put an RSL on. I believe that in a cutaway from a spinning mal an RSL will get your reserve out and your reserve PC and inflating reserve will drogue you stable. The Skyhook will probably become very popular in years to come. For now, definitely either a cypress or RSL. I wouldn't want to go with neither, but both is probably a little overkill. Of the two, I prefer the cypress because of it's added benefit that it will open you if you don't pull at all. DON'T give in to the "peer-pressure" you will doubtless receive from other jumpers that try to make it sound like an RSL is just bad ju-ju waiting to happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #11 February 28, 2003 A Cypres activates if you don't pull, or can't pull. An RSL activates if you DO pull. It seems to me they act for radically different reasons, under radically different conditions. Why on earth do you consider both of them overkill? _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #12 February 28, 2003 Cypres won't do much if you have to chop at 700 foot though____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #13 February 28, 2003 They are two different creatures designed to do two different things...I dont think it's wise to say one is a replacement of the other... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #14 February 28, 2003 Hey, c'mon -- we haven't argued about this for at least a few weeks!Anyway, I have an rsl ... so there! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billdo 0 #15 February 28, 2003 I don't like to argue. The reason I say a cypress can "replace" an RSL is that in the scenario of a cutaway where one is trying to "regain stability" before deploying their reserve and they go too low. The cypress won't let you cut away at 1500 feet and then wasted 1000 feet trying to "get stable." However, with a cypress, I feel you have the "luxury" TO SOME DEGREE, to do the "get stable before pulling reserve" argument. A cypress is a good idea no matter what, we agree? I've described the way I think it replaces a RSL, or adds redundancy to it. An RSL does not replace a cypress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billdo 0 #16 February 28, 2003 QuoteCypres won't do much if you have to chop at 700 foot though Very good point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #17 February 28, 2003 From the Cypres User's Guide: "In the event of a breakaway below this height [750 ft agl] CYPRES will operate down to apx 130 feet AGL. Below 130 feet AGL opening is no longer useful. For this reason, CYPRES ceases operation below apx 130 feet AGL." You would still need a descent rate higher than 78 mph / 114.4 FPS. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tlshealy 0 #18 February 28, 2003 I've always had some doubts about RSLs and stability issues, but after reading about Bill Booth's new skyhook, I think he may have erased some of those doubts for me. I would still like to get some feed back on that system after there are a lot of them in use, but if it's like any of Bill's other innovations, 3 rings, hand deploys, and skyhooks, may soon be on every rig. Blue Skies Tad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #19 February 28, 2003 Quote You would still need a descent rate higher than 78 mph / 114.4 FPS. Exactly. If you cutaway at say 800 ft. I doubt that in 50 ft you could accelerate last enough for the reserve to deploy. Quote However, with a cypress, I feel you have the "luxury" TO SOME DEGREE, to do the "get stable before pulling reserve" argument. however should never to relied appon and be a backup only. On a side note does anyone know the height, approximately, someone would have to fall to get to cypress activation speed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeat10500 12 #20 February 28, 2003 Hi Don't think I would want to count on the Cypres when cutting away from 800'. I think the RSL is the answer for low cuttaways. Hope I'm never it that situation.----------------------------------- Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1 Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #21 February 28, 2003 According to an old and possibly inaccurate freefall table I have: After 5 seconds your speed will be 124 feet/second. After 5 seconds you will have fallen 366 feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #22 February 28, 2003 So the cypres fires at about 350 - 400 feet after a cutaway at 700. don't give much time for an opening / picking a spot to land.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #23 February 28, 2003 QuoteAccording to an old and possibly inaccurate freefall table I have: After 5 seconds your speed will be 124 feet/second. After 5 seconds you will have fallen 366 feet. Yeah that seems pretty accurate actually. Just remembered someone telling me once that a skydiver accelerates at 18 ft/s/s so that seems bout right.. the first 5 seconds is around 500 feet? So on that basis you'd have to be cutaway by 1200 ft for the cypres to take effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #24 February 28, 2003 "don't give much time for an opening / picking a spot to land. " Have you ever seen any 'cypres saves' video, chosing a decent landing area simply isn't an option, more so in the low cutaway scenario. Best avoided by maintaining altitude awareness......-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #25 February 28, 2003 Quote chosing a decent landing area simply isn't an option, My point exactly____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
