Amazon 7 #26 April 1, 2007 MMMM Popcorn...did you know I love popcorn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcunniff 2 #27 April 1, 2007 QuoteFalse statements? If you advertise a 200 way world record attempt and get a nice 2 Pt. 140 way instead of a 200 way, no world record. You have to reach the specified target goal. 2 points on a 140 way is certainly an accomplishment, but not the declared goal. _________________________________________________ The declared goal was 200. That was way back in the planning and recruiting stages. Reality sets in, though, and whether or not you end up with that number of people on the skydive, it's still a world record. 140 people were in their assigned slots, the planned two points with those people were executed. If it's never been done before in the history of the sport, it can be called a world record. -Jack (By the way, the taste of a cold beer after being on a record is pretty damn good. Sour grapes don't taste as good, I'm guessing.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #28 April 1, 2007 QuoteFalse statements? If you advertise a 200 way world record attempt and get a nice 2 Pt. 140 way instead of a 200 way, no world record. You have to reach the specified target goal. 2 points on a 140 way is certainly an accomplishment, but not the declared goal. Most of the statements of the original anonymous poster were incorrect. Non-participants will not understand all the things that make a very large event happen. The original anonymous troll seemed to just be playing into that ignorance to be malicious. The previous record was advertised to be a 140-way. There were 140 main participants and another 20 lurkers who showed up hoping for slots. In addition, there was a bench of 20-30 training every day. The dive included an 80-way flat spiral for a base. It was extremely difficult to build as a point by itself. Challenging the participants is part of the goal. By the end, all of the pool of lurkers, extras, and bench people had been given opportunities. The bench captain refused to jump before all his people had a chance. It ended up a 121-way. Probably 50-60 people had been cut. This time, 90% of the participants had 300-way, 400-way, and many other world record patches. By the end, many of them were cut. Success is not guaranteed. Neither is staying on the jump. Even though this is stated as NOT being a training camp, I saw the organizers provide training and advice to many participants. At some point, hard decisions are made. Another example: These were not normal 20 minute Otter rides. They were 40-45 minutes. Double the climb time, plus oxygen, plus the additional support staff. Obviously, ticket prices, per jump, will be more expensive. People came from Finland, Venezuela, Estonia, Canada, and many other countries to participate. Their travel costs were huge. They wanted the best possible organization, staff, and chance of success. They got it through hard work. (edited to add: Your ONE anonymous post was to support the TWO posts of an anonymous troll. Nice.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #29 April 1, 2007 Quote(edited to add: Your ONE anonymous post was to support the TWO posts of an anonymous troll. Nice.) Let them continue, I'm comparing IP addresses. She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #30 April 2, 2007 QuoteFalse statements? If you advertise a 200 way world record attempt and get a nice 2 Pt. 140 way instead of a 200 way, no world record. You have to reach the specified target goal. 2 points on a 140 way is certainly an accomplishment, but not the declared goal. Was your application rejected, then?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #31 April 2, 2007 QuoteFalse statements? If you advertise a 200 way world record attempt and get a nice 2 Pt. 140 way instead of a 200 way, no world record. You have to reach the specified target goal. 2 points on a 140 way is certainly an accomplishment, but not the declared goal. Technically, whatever they dirt dive with who they have before a jump, and submit that plan to the judge, then go up and do exactly that, qualifies as the record, if it beats the old record."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yjumpinoz 0 #32 April 2, 2007 I think big way sequential is for bragging rights and not official. Is that correct? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #33 April 2, 2007 QuoteI think big way sequential is for bragging rights and not official. Is that correct? If it's for a world record, it can be submitted to FAI for official consideration. Of course, every participant has to have FAI membership... I learned this when I registered for the Skydive Chicago 300 way attempt in 1998."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #34 April 2, 2007 Yep, but it's a lot of fun and as far as I can see the only people who really get upset about any of it are the people who: 1) Didn't get a slot. 2) Got cut. In the past it's been Guy and Roger who have done the attempts and you got to hear it all. "Our second point was harder than theres....." but funny I've never heard that from Guy or Roger. I wish they could make it a "real" world record as my wife won't let me go back to Thailand unless it's for another world record attempt. Now it was was a record............ In any event, congrads to all the new record holders....I wish Texas and Z-hills had been spread out a little more!Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yjumpinoz 0 #35 April 2, 2007 Maybe they need to make it official, but it has to be a complete break back loop and rebuild. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #36 April 2, 2007 QuoteMaybe they need to make it official, but it has to be a complete break back loop and rebuild. That many people?? Impossible. That's just my opinion."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yjumpinoz 0 #37 April 2, 2007 It was a joke. It would be very difficult to "officially" say what constituted a second point with 100+ people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #38 April 2, 2007 QuoteIt was a joke. It would be very difficult to "officially" say what constituted a second point with 100+ people. That's true... there are no hard and fast rules on how much separation there has to be. As far as I know, the formation could drop grips right down the middle for a second, stay stationary, then pick up grips again, and it's a 2 point dive. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #39 April 2, 2007 I'd be irritated if I had accepted an invitation to a 200 way and ended up on a 140 way. But I do give my hearty applause to the participants of the 2pt 140 way. Quite an accomplisment!---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #40 April 2, 2007 QuoteI'd be irritated if I had accepted an invitation to a 200 way and ended up on a 140 way. But I do give my hearty applause to the participants of the 2pt 140 way. Quite an accomplisment! I wouldn't care, as long as the jumps were good, and I didn't get cut! I'd like to see what the points were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #41 April 2, 2007 JP, What if it was a swoop event and only a few people show'd up? Even if it was a normally well attended event? Same thing. If you do big ways you know that they may not get the numbers. The 400 way was the FIRST one (case of beer) that I was ever on that started as a 400 and ended as a 400.......and they worked real hard to do that cause (I believe) they understood they may not be going back real soonKevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #42 April 2, 2007 QuoteI'd like to see what the points were. Tony Hathaways website Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #43 April 2, 2007 QuoteIt was a joke. It would be very difficult to "officially" say what constituted a second point with 100+ people. The 2004 record was one of the most difficult transitions that I have ever done. The base was an 80-way that was a spiral line. There were about 12 connection points. When the second point was keyed, the connecting grips released into an 80-spiral that had to fly totally flat. The base had to not sink out and the outside couldn't float. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orlando 0 #44 April 2, 2007 You can view the pictures from the camera fliers at jumpdakine.smugmug.com, www.tonyhathaway.com and www.laszloimage.com.Saludos, Orlando Hispa #48 || www.amador.org || Xtreme Divers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #45 April 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'd be irritated if I had accepted an invitation to a 200 way and ended up on a 140 way. But I do give my hearty applause to the participants of the 2pt 140 way. Quite an accomplisment! I wouldn't care, as long as the jumps were good, and I didn't get cut! I'd like to see what the points were. Okay, saw the points, changed my mind, I would be irritated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #46 April 3, 2007 QuoteMaybe they need to make it official, but it has to be a complete break back loop and rebuild. Hog Flop Bigway? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
endcell 0 #47 April 3, 2007 I spoke what I believe to be true. Not hardly malicious, but I am astounded by your attempt to censure what you don't agree with Happy. I stand by what I said. If you send out the call for a 200 way, produce one, or advise the participants that there is not a sufficient number of people to achieve that goal, and proceed at their own risk. If you want to build a 200 way, now is the time to start. Select regional captains, have them select and train their respective teams interracial to the 200 way formation. Pick a date, assemble and do the dive. This concept might be a little complex for some. Hats off to those who participated in the 140 way. Blue skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #48 April 3, 2007 *** Okay, saw the points, changed my mind, I would be irritated. *** I don't know about that, three fairly large loops had to pick up and they weren't just sitting besides each other (from the picture) plus you have to build the first point high enough to get the second.....Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #49 April 3, 2007 Quote have them select and train their respective teams interracial to the 200 way formation. ???? What on Earth does that mean?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #50 April 3, 2007 Quote*** Okay, saw the points, changed my mind, I would be irritated. *** I don't know about that, three fairly large loops had to pick up and they weren't just sitting besides each other (from the picture) plus you have to build the first point high enough to get the second..... Big sequential skydives appear to provide a whole lot more difficulty than single point skydives. Not only do you have to build the first point, it has to be engineered so the fall rate across the formation is constant during the transition, so you can't just have a heavy fast base and light folks on the outside. If you do that the center falls out during the transition, as we saw in 2004. Engineering the formation with holes in it to allow a more uniform fall rate leads to structural instabilities that are hard to damp out. Then there's the problem of keying the transition so everyone can see it. And you need a breakoff plan that's safe regardless of where you are in the sequence. It's not an exact science by any means. On to the TSR!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
